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BBC currently reporting 105 arrests total, and over 90 of them being "counter protestors"

I never realised Tommy Robinson and his merry band were so pro-Israel.

I seem to remember him spending sometime in Israel. I think he’s one of those “good friend of Israel” type auntie Semite, a bit like braverman.

"counter protestors"

Braverman's brownshirts.

This is on her, she has whipped this up and is completely unfit to hold a ministerial position that should be about bringing people together.

We walked down Whitehall about 6pm and there was a miserable bunch of about 100 fascists on Parliament Square with just as many police around them and about half a dozen around milling around Trafalgar Square. I've seen estimates that there were between 500 and 2000 of them, so that's a significant number of them arrested.

Yes Stephen Yaxley-Lennon who very likely changed his Jewish name to help ingratiate himself with the far right movement and push a heavily anti islam agenda has surprisingly seized on this moment to crawl back out of the swamp

Though hate filled shitbag left the country due to being persecuted/not feeling safe.

Though the name change was to sound more man of the peep poles, as a double barrel made him posh.

The guardian live updates mentioned a breakaway group of 2000 (!). I think that was the group that made up the ~80 group-arrest. By the sounds of it this lot would fight their own shadow.

Thank fuck they didn’t get to the march.

The Met tactic of kettling them before they even leave the pub is amazing (but does rely on a spooky amount of surveillance).

I think he went to the states only to be charged with some kind of immigration fraud (he has a record) and kicked out. The irony.

Not going to Google but wasn't it using a dodgy passport.

Looked it up, he used some else's passport, held at customs...the left the airport then entered the us illegally. Then returned to the UK the next day on his 'real name' Paul Harris.

i've been avoiding this whole thing, but as someone who grew up (tail end) of sectarian violence (aka the troubles), I feel for all the civilians. they are the ones who get fucked over.

Reporting of yesterday's events in the right wing press is pretty bizarre.

I don't know who Allison Pearson is and don't read the Telegraph, but her front page op ed seems to have been phoned in from a different planet.

I saw it whilst skimming through the papers section of the BBC website.

The guardian live updates mentioned a breakaway group of 2000 (!). I think that was the group that made up the ~80 group-arrest. By the sounds of it this lot would fight their own shadow.

The breakaway group who tried to head for Vauxhall Bridge were only about 200 so they did reach the march. Yaxley-Lennon led his knuckle-draggers up to Chinatown where they promptly started fighting the police, then he made a hasty exit in a taxi leaving his followers to themselves.

I saw a couple of fashy types leering at the march out of a pub window by Vauxhall Bridge. Extremely hard lads when protected by a wall of mounted police.

That number definitely sounds more likely.

The highlight for me was a cuntery of middle aged men nazi saluting mouthing sieg heil through a pub window.

They were doing karaoke of springtime for Hitler.

High kicks and all the dance steps

This from Johnathan Cook almost perfectly mirrors the complaint by Israel that the BBC was too quick to blame the IDF for the hospital tragedy. I was reading the article with interest and when I got to this realised it was probably largely bollocks.

"Consider for a moment the stark contrast in the western media’s treatment of events on October 7 and its treatment of the strike on the car park at Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in northern Gaza on October 17, in which hundreds of Palestinians were reported killed.
In the case of Al-Ahli, the media were only too ready to cast aside all the evidence that the hospital had been hit by an Israeli strike immediately Israel contested the claim. Instead journalists hurriedly amplified Israel’s counter-allegation that a Palestinian rocket had fallen on the hospital. Most of the media moved on after concluding “The truth may never be clear”, or even less credibly, that Palestinian militants were the most likely culprits."

In the age of smart phones there will undoubtedly be evidence somewhere. Sadly it may never come to light for endless reasons.

Trigger alert: suffering.

Reuters hasn’t been kidding around with their coverage, but they’d stopped short of showing medically-critical children. Now with the hospitals unable to function, they’ve clearly made the editorial decision to show the world the children, even ICU babies, that will die imminently due to Israel bombardment and blockade.

ICU babies, that will die imminently due to Israel bombardment and blockade.

This is very typical of the information war. Uncertainty over a specific event, in this case the fireball that engulfed the courtyard of the Al-Ahli hospital, is met with a general comment about the behaviour of one side or other, rather than any specific facts or sources. "They did this so they probably did that"

The truth is both sides are capable of obscene atrocities.

(edited to correct the name of the hospital)

The Met tactic of kettling them before they even leave the pub is amazing (but does rely on a spooky amount of surveillance).

A pretty familiar tactic from football policing in years gone by, although think they've cut down on using it after losing a court case and having to pay out compensation.

both sides are capable of obscene atrocities.

Undoubtedly. However only one side has had, and freely used, the capability to enforce a blockade and deny millions of civilians access to power, communications, medicine, food water…

Equal but not equitable.

only one side has had, and freely used, the capability to enforce a blockade and deny millions of civilians access to power, communications, medicine, food water…

I'm talking about behaviour and intent being similar. General comments about the capabilities of one side or the other do not bring us any clarity on culpability for specific events. Both sides try to muddy the water like this when the hard evidence is not strongly in their favour.

From the FT: the Israeli military has compiled a 44 minute 'video of horrors' of the Hamas invasion. Journalists and diplomats are invited to see it at private viewings. It won't be shown to the public.

‘Video of horrors’ compiler on a mission to tell Israel’s story. Tech entrepreneur Mattan Harel-Fisch chronicles Hamas atrocities for a
select global audience

https://www.ft.com/content/9382c05b-c9de-4228-9f6b-8acebb8d601e

Paywall removed: https://archive.ph/esn8i/again?url=https://www.ft.com/content/9382c05b-c9de-4228-9f6b-8acebb8d601e#selection-2195.0-2395.69

Whoever decided that poor schmoe should be the editor of that video put a hell of a burden on him. Doubt he’ll get help, if help is even possible for that degree of exposure to true depravity, so I guess I hope he’s psychopathic already?