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Maybe if more articles like this are written-and permitted to be published-he won't continue to enjoy the same level of approval that he's been gifted so far?

Nick Holhurst says he reported BJ's absence from Cobra meetings on March 20th and lack of interest/concern was well known but nobody was interested. Hopefully this signals a belated change of mood...

Well, I was acting on the information I was receiving directly at the time and I have acknowledged that it didnt turn out the way I expected and apologised for my tone. Not sure the snarkiness is needed.

Beg for forgiveness! BEG! You bastard! You made us prepare for nothing! I've wasted nothing preparing for it! You cold heartless monster!

The issue is that as soon as lockdown ended you're going to get an immediate spike again.

Also, with no confirmed immunity, even the vaccine is a speculative solution...

German docs also saying that Covid lung damage is permanent which is concerning.

An earlier lockdown may have changed current death total, it seems very unclear if that’d be the case finally though?
The PPE issue is a big one. Not just NHS but other key workers bus drivers etc.

Of course but we aren’t going to stay in lockdown indefinitely.

https://join.thetimes.co.uk/?pc=regacc&ILC=INT-TNL_Header_text_181017&gotoUrl=

Allows two free articles

The PPE issue is a big one. Not just NHS but other key workers bus drivers etc.

And not joining the EU scheme to bulk buy PPE too.

Defintely the case if lockdown happen earlier, there be less strain, e.g. Cheltenham.

I think the point is that other countries have used this time to build up capacity to test and trace.

We've got a shitty app with massive privacy issues and fuck all testing.

Those are fair points. Just seems much is hidden by the perhaps false narrative an earlier lockdown would have saved lives.

Nothing like hindsight.

Can't think of another thread here that's generated so much petty bickering.

You're clearly not thinking hard enough. Pathetic.

#amidoingthisright?

If you read the Times article you'd realise it's not a question of hindsight.

It's a question of competent leadership acting on advice at the time instead of routinely lying about preparedness and stocks of equipment.

German docs also saying that Covid lung damage is permanent which is concerning.

I'm guessing this is (mostly) the damage from high pressure ventilating?

Bike porn, football

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Apparently not-patients in question didn't even need hospitalised at the time: https://www.rainews.it/tgr/amp/articoli/2020/04/ContentItem-6708e11e-28dc-4843-a760-e7f926ace61c.html?__twitter_impression=true

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I read the whole article, pretty worrying they think giving pure oxygen may worsen covid :(

Interesting. Somewhat anecdotal at this point - tiny sample size, no baseline and no numbers in terms of lung function and saturation - but I guess larger, more robust studies will come along soonish.

Speaking to a friend whose wife is a consultant in a kids' ward. Their big worry is the kids who aren't there who normally would be. Right now, for example, they'd expect to have c.4 kids with uncontrolled diabetes and all manner of others with different conditions. They aren't there now because of corona concerns - they're at home, getting worse.

They aren't there now because of corona concerns - they're at home, getting worse.

Yeah - this is true for a lot of people with chronic health conditions that require sporadic hospitalisations for treatment / management.

Yeah, obviously, but if you're looking at people starting with exceptional lung capacity and no underlying conditions being left in a state closer to chronic asthmatics after a limited period of illness that's deeply concerning as most commentary so far had focused on smokers being hit worse and the role of air pollution.

My boss is a keen cyclist and had it, still feels breathless and truggling to walk to the end of their street three weeks on. Didn't require hospitalised at the time. If that's permanent, that would be a life changing disability.

It's also clear from the article in question that after only a few weeks, they've no idea whether the effects will be permanent or not. To quote the good doctor Hartig, 'We don't know how much of the changes will last'. So that German doc is not saying the damage is permanent. It might be, it might not. Fact is, no-one knows.

If that's permanent, that would be a life changing disability.

Yeah, that would indeed be a sad situation. Hope he makes a full recovery.

To quote the good doctor Hartig

Yeah, there's lots of oddness in the article that I put down to translate. The strap line

The damage is apparently permanent.

vs in the article itself

"We don't know how much of the changes will last,"

was particularly jarring.

Faulty Google translate aside it was clear that the repeat scans they had done weeks after the initial illness showed no sign of expected improvement though. I'm assuming that a German doc has no motivation to be sewing panick if not genuinely surprised to be seeing the nature of what's going on in previously healthy folk, but yeah, needs more research.