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I know nothing about this dude other than that a friend of mine who is a good guy/ woke bro' is a fan of his stuff.
To all intents and purposes he seems like a right royal frenulum but I can't help but feel there's no way he could be all that bad if my chum is keen on him.
I also don't really have an interest in knowing any more about him anyway.
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refuses to use gender neutral pronouns for non-binary people.
In fairness, what I've seen him say is that he disagrees with being forced to by law (which they now have in Canada) and that he will use a person's preferred pronoun if they let him know that they would like it to be something particular but that usually you revert to assuming pronouns based on someone's appearance. So not that he refuses to do it but correct me if I'm wrong.
(He's still a cunt, I'm just playing devil's advocate)
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Though, if i may defer to another reddit thread, i think his stance on the Canadian law (bill C-16) is a willful misinterpretation.
This seems to fit the narrative of not just Peterson, but other 'classical liberals', whereby they whip up a kind of free speech moral panic. They take these few and far between instances of angsty students saying something stupid and/or radical and extrapolate it into meaning 'western civilisation' as we know it is about to come crushing down and totalitarian SJWism is ruining everything that was once 'great' (quote marks as these are relative terms that mean different things to different folks).
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RE: the fan photo - i think this is one where Peterson is well-aware of how racist* such a t-shirt is, but he's become so entrenched in his position against guilt-by-association, he'd never openly apologise or distance himself from it (bar deleting the photo). That, and 'plausible deniability' which has become a huge tactic not only for these 'classical liberals', but also the alt/far-right.
I mean, as a lefty whose formative years were spent listening to black metal, i get that the a minority of the left can be shouty and over-zealous in this respect, but it seems Peterson and his ilk have dug their heels in and kind of accepted the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' outlook. Any suggestion of middle-ground or that something is offensive is
*i was originally going to write 'racist and/or xenophobic' but then if you have reasonable criticisms of certain aspects of Islam (i'm thinking wahhabism), this t-shirt isn't the way of showing that, it's just plain racist.
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Can we talk about Sam Harris now?
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I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say.
English is my third language so what you laid out in that top paragraph helps.
It’s just that judging by the photo I would call Peterson potentially islamophobic, not racist, that’s all.
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What do you undertsand the term 'enforced monogamy' to mean?
He keeps weaselling out when pressured to explain exactly what he means, but as far as I can tell he thinks that sex is unevenly distributed and therefore when incels rape or kill people it's actually women's fault for not sleeping with them. He is also opposed to divorce and the contraceptive pill, stating that women who choose not to be mothers are contributing to declining birth rates in the West (literally echoing the white supremacist "great replacement" theory pushed by other alt-right nutjobs and that inspired the Christchurch shooter)
He hasn't refused to use non-preferred pronouns
That's actually true, although the reality that he opposes a law making it illegal to maliciously misgender and deadname trans people is arguably even worse
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I've read a bit about JP previously but just fell in this internet hole:
It's genuinely interesting but i'd advise not clicking on it if you have anything to do in the near future.
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I've seen him explain multiple times. It was a small point in the middle of a much longer conversation where he stated that societies that tilted towards monogamy were less violent and more stable than polgyamist societies. He was saying that said incel behaviour is abhorrent and that the solution is for them to become much better men if what they desire is to be sexually attractive and that this is easier to accomplish in a society where monogamy is normative. It's poor wording imo and would be slightly better served by 'culturally enforced', his example being if a friend who was in a relationship came to you and gleefully told you they'd had multiple affairs and not been caught you'd admonish them, even then 'enforced' has such strong connotations I don't think it's the best choice
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That's actually true, although the reality that he opposes a law making it illegal to maliciously misgender and deadname trans people is arguably even worse
It is indeed arguable, I'd like to have that conversation if you don't mind?
I'd start with that I'm not too sure hate speech laws decrease hate and actually somewhat contribute to the rise of the dog-whistling tactics discussed itt which make it bloody hard to distinguish between people genuinely tackling the hard subjects and people just being hateful -ist/-phobic cunts
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He seems highly principled and a bit dogmatic. He’s great at er... explaining things. He advocates for personal responsibility. Calls bullshit on some bullshit. Nietzsche and Jung in the house. Evolutionary Psychology is a bit controversial and sends ppl into a tailspin. He has sometimes quite odd conclusions regarding politics and religion. People have thin skins and like to call him a Nazi.
Did I miss anything?
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That's pretty much bang on.
Nuanced view though. You are aware this is the internet?
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He has some weird shit in his house, apparently.
This is what we're really here for! What sort of weird shit are we talking? Presume there hasn't been a JP Architectural Digest feature?
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Don’t apologise for that, keep it coming.
These Richard Spencer and Peterson types are terrifying. They suit up and dress their regressive, hateful views in a modern and attractive package and that surely plays a big part in normalising their abhorrent views. Those people need to be called out and have that sheen ripped away.
Meanwhile, we get apologist pieces in the Guardian.