New road bike advice

one is a cyclocross bike other is a road bike

A very nice member of staff at an Evans let me have a play on the Cannondale IRL, I liked it but I have nothing to compare it to. The whole CX thing is quite appealing

Re BMC; just wondering if there was any reason to avoid it

The whole CX thing is quite appealing

this is where my expertise end I am afraid ..

Re BMC; just wondering if there was any reason to avoid it

Not really unless you are set on disc brakes

Why should I get disc brakes over calipers on a road bike? Or is this a complex question

Because they brake better. It makes no difference for the 99% of the time riding which isn't during braking. But if you're going to go out in the wet, or go down steep hills, or not want to replace rims when your brakes eventually wear them out, then go for discs.
Otherwise rim brakes, rim brake frames and rim brake wheels are generally all lighter than the beefier disc equivalent

That's straightforward. Thank you

That's straightforward.

Amey is currently typing out his disc brake thesis response. You can already read it in thread form here.

ha

I was kind of hoping for something much less straightforward

Edit: I'm aware of that threat but I don't understand about 90% of whats being said, or what its actually for

That's the basic version. Disc frames can often take bigger tyres also

Just realized you have Disc Brakes Are Dead in your username. Mind blown.

no, I cant be bothered, they are both great and work well

my reason for disc brakes on a road bike are I wanted to use deep section carbon rims

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CX bikes are a lot like road bikes but have clearance for slightly wider (usually up to about 35mm) tyres, they usually lack mudguard eyelets and are heavier but a bit sturdier. CX bikes are not that much more practical than a straight ahead road bike IMO (other than they go on bridleways and footpaths etc). Geo isn't much more forgiving than entry or midlevel road bikes either.

To be honest, I'd really recommend getting a Canyon. You can choose disc or rim brake, road bike or gravel bike (which is just a road bike that takes wider tyres and allows mudguards and water bottles). Prices start reasonable and get crazy. For like £1600 you can get an Endurance CF SL Disc 7.0 which would be beyond great. Or for your full budget the new Grail CF SL 7.0 which will do everything and comes with Shimano 105.

I'm aware of that thread but I don't understand about 90% of whats being said, or what its actually for

No one does.

Thanks very much. Canyons appear much better VFM compared to other brands.

I've never considered getting a CX bike until it was mentioned here a couple of times, they do look like fun. I'd be better off building up a cheap CX bike to try out in the future. There are definitely roads and cycle clubs nearby to be had, I'm unsure how useful a CX bike will be in practise.

A proper CX bike* is just not very good on the road, and people have to stop recommending them as do-it-all bikes. The differences in geometry may be small on paper, but are very noticeable when riding. And now there's a lot of gravel / all-road bikes on the market I would also imagine that CX bikes are back to being designed for CX racing again.
CSB but for gravel** I much preferred riding the Canyon Ultimate disc than the Inflite I also had in the same time.

*exceptions apply
** actual gravel

I have a CAADX that I've just fitted mudguards to, for winter road use. It rides fine on the road, but it's not got typical CX race geometry though. I did have 35c tyres on it and there was plenty of clearance, it's got 30c road tyres for winter though.

Do you use it for mud as well as road?

Thank you, fuck the CX idea then, it appears

Not really anything particularly muddy; I'm sure it'd work fine though.

http://www.thebikewhisperer.co.uk/services/new-bike-consultation/
why don't you talk to @scherrit ?

If you wish to buy your bike over the internet you can have it delivered to our premises to do the final build, check things like derailleur alignment, and set-up the gears and brakes:

If you wish, you can book a fitting for when you collect your bike so you are set up and ready to go.

^ Thanks for that, this part specifically would be very helpful. Though location is not. I'll drop @scherrit a DM

email him

Has anyone ever seen a brown Canyon in person? If so are they horrible or nice?
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/8dt55k/nbd_canyon_ultimate_cf_sl_80_di2_2018/

Canyon website has black background on everything which is silly

Looks great on that pic. Just make sure you use a matt finish product when you clean it.