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• #502
Seems proportionate to me, didn't look to me like a 'high speed ram', more like he turned the vehicle to the right hand side/pavement, likely at a speed less than 15mph.
The canister is a traceable dye, once it gets on skin it doesn't come off for a considerable time making it easier for officers to identify those that were involved.
No-one is ever going to be entirely happen with every method of policing, I don't have a problem with it. Personally I wouldn't expect to be allowed to sod off into the sunset with zero physical intervention from the police either on or in a stolen vehicle.
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• #503
It's kinda moot though.
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• #504
I suspect the videos aren't just to reassure the public though, they're also telling the criminals that they're going to get caught.
I know someone who works with young offenders and one of the major issues is that they're making loads of money and think they won't get caught. If they're thinking it's more likely they'll get caught then they may think twice.
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• #505
One of the ways of preventing the problem is the sharing of videos of aggressive policing. You might recall that the police said they would not pursue kids on mopeds a few years ago? This was followed by a sharp rise in such crimes.
As far as I recall, that was following the death of the lad in Camden in a police pursuit. It meant that the police had to review their procedures. Now they claim they've come up with a 'safe' way of stopping them. I don't believe it is, and that there will be a serious case of police misjudgement soon.
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• #506
they're also telling the criminals that they're going to get caught
Well, except they're not getting caught. Very few of them do. As Señor_Bear says, the cuts have cut deep. Also, they may be getting caught doing one thing, using one method, but if one thing doesn't work any longer, people just try different things and it all moves on. There simply isn't enough effort on prevention, and I'm not just talking about youth services being cut--they are in themselves something that addresses only symptoms, although they have a preventative effect.
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• #507
So the polis aren’t spraying acid on them? That’s a shame, would have thought that would be a happy blend of identification and deterrent. Probably some health and safety gone doolally thing.
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• #508
As Señor_Bear says, the cuts have cut deep
Experienced this last night, girlfriend had to call the police and was stuck with a 'due to high demand we are currently unable to process your call' message for 10 minutes, which shocked me as I've never had this or even heard of it in my entire life, luckily it wasn't absolutely time sensitive but I can't imagine what it would've been like for someone who needed immediate assistance
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• #509
Was that 999, or 101?
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• #510
999
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• #511
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• #512
They were all out pretending to arrest old ladies for soft PR purposes. Wait your turn.
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• #513
Jesus that's crazy.
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• #514
luckily it wasn't absolutely time sensitive
Wonder how many other of the calls in the queue were similar?
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• #515
This was followed by a sharp rise in such crimes.
or a sharp rise in the consistent recording of such crimes. same with acid attacks.
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• #516
An ex met police officer had just started at my work. He painted a bleak picture of london policing. They are losing staff due to poor morale. Community support officer dealing with serious calls due to understaffing.
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• #517
Thats crazy
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• #518
It 100% required a 999 call, I just meant we weren't getting stabbed right there and then or equivalent
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• #519
Community support officer dealing with serious calls due to understaffing.
Budget cuts/staffing levels are the main problem countrywide. In my neck of the woods, the cardboard cutout PCSO in the BP forecourt shop is of more use than the living, breathing, tea-drinking PCSO hiding in the police station cleaner's cupboard.
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• #520
The Guardian covers the 'tactical contact' tactic in their long read on police pursuits.
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• #521
Another police chase crash--not moped-related, but seeing as we were having the discussion here, I thought I'd post it here:
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• #522
Thanks for this. I forgot to post after reading it. I found it a disappointing article. Good coverage of the cases the reporter looked at in depth, but the police's new tactics only get a passing mention.
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• #523
Not moped-related, but since we've been discussing police chases here:
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• #524
Close encounter tonight on Lordship lane, East Dulwich. Three mopeds racing up and down with two people on each. Luckily for me when they targeted me it was only one moped. They rode up on the pavement in front of me. I hadn’t been drinking so had my wits about me and legged it in the other direction whilst the passenger who didn’t have a helmet, just a ninja style hood, dismounted and I hid behind a van. Passenger got back on the moped and as they drove past I sprinted back in the opposite direction to my house. Would have been a lot harder if I was on my bike. Called the police and they said they knew about them, but has shook me up with adrenaline etc. Cunts!
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• #525
Glad your OK, fucking little scrotes
One of the ways of preventing the problem is the sharing of videos of aggressive policing. You might recall that the police said they would not pursue kids on mopeds a few years ago? This was followed by a sharp rise in such crimes.
Also see the deterrent effect of the close pass initiative. The media surrounding it in West Midlands was out of all proportion to the number of times they actually did it.
But yes, I agree it is not the best way of dealing with it, it is cheap and relatively effective and overall good for police public relations with the hang em and flog em brigade.
Much better to give the kids doing it meaningful lives; work, education, role models and stuff, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Also the helicopter thing, you won't know the helicopter is following you while you're racing around on a moped. They are a distance away, and surprisingly discrete, even though everyone else can see them, they are watching and recording with some powerful optics. Trouble is the time taken to get them in place, and the cost.