Responsible meat-eating

You're thinking of beer.

Lot more sanctimony included which might make up the difference

Has anyone here who's reduced their meat intake noticed a difference when they do eat meat?

I ask because I largely eat vegetarian at home due to my OH, but have noticed that I have so much more energy and feel better when I eat meat, red meat in particular.

I'm wondering if my body just needs a lot more protein and/or I'm underestimating how much I'm getting from my veggie diet.

Anyone else had anything similar?

Could be your body not getting enough quality protein on the veggie diet..

Or B12 or iron

I've had exactly the same experience. No amount of fiddling with the vegetarian side of my diet prevents me eventually becoming low energy and I immediately perk up if I eat some red meat. Its not an issue for me though, quite happy to eat the occasional small amount of high welfare red meat.

Strangely there is evidence to the opposite that athletes are healthier eating vegetarian or vegan diets. Men tend to have more frequent and larger erections during sleep after plant based food than meat. There was a documentary about this on Netflix iirc.

Men tend to have more frequent and larger erections during sleep after plant based food than meat.

No wonder @laner has a perma-boner

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.insider.com/can-vegan-diet-improve-erections-sexual-health-2019-10%3famp

Indicates the evidence is inconclusive.

I watched that a while ago too. But it's quite one sided and I'm pretty sure it's not as conclusive as it makes out.

From working with two people who've tried a variety of faddy and non-faddy diets, and seeing the different experiences on the same diets, I'm a big believer in different strokes for different folks as it were.

@Stonehedge - I think it's so accute this time because I've been really struggling recently and having just had a few days of meat eating I feel like a new person.

I'm going to try a combination of B12, iron and upping my protein next week.

@Thrasher

quality protein

This is such an on trend phase, but what does it actually mean in reality? 4 tins of beans? A cup of frozen peas? 3 eggs?

I’m a lazy vegan and often eat a bit crappy but haven’t gone near corpse in 4-5 years now.
I’m def higher energy these days overall but if my diet goes off the rails I tend to be a bit sluggish first thing. It’d be interesting to see after all this time if eating meat would make a difference to how I feel but there’s no way I’m going to try it.

If in doubt chuck nutritional yeast on every meal and you won’t be short of b12 at least. I need to eat more spinach to up my iron a bit. I do take a daily multivitamin and usually a green smoothie as well which seems to do the trick for me most of the time.

As for the effect on my sexeh time? Ask yer mum :)

She said you should eat some meat.

Definitely b12 or iron deficiency, as others have said.

There are lots of ways to get iron and b12 in a completely vegan diet, look it up.

I have more energy since ditching meat and dairy. I take the vegan multivitamin for Holland and Barrett as that has all the bits it’s easy to miss having.

It takes quite a while to get a deficiency, and also to reverse one. If you’re iron deficient it’s not going to give you an energy boost from eating some meat.

You can be vegan on beer and chips, and vegetarian on cheese and eggs alone, but it wouldn’t be a very healthy diet.
Nutritionfacts.org has something they call the daily dozen, which focuses on what you should try to include in your diet.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dr-gregers-daily-dozen-checklist-2/

If you strive to follow that you are going to get all your macro and micro nutrients covered, except for B12. Everyone on a vegetarian, vegan or plant based diet should supplement with B12.

The page is abundant with science based information on what is the healthiest diet, and I’d encourage everyone to spend some time on watching a few videos on any topic that might be of interest.

Not meat, but eggs.

Before I go hunting, does anyone know if smaller scale local egg sellers pasteurize their eggs? Or are the usually unpasteurised?

Cheers.

They come straight from the chickens round here. It’s up to the end user to cook them or not.

I swapped these just now for a sourdough loaf I baked this morning with a neighbour.

Warm eggs for warm bread.

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Afaik only pasteurised if they have the picture of the tiny lion on them

@hugo7 Are you buying cooked eggs? That's what pasteurisation would do surely?

The lion is to show they exceed the law (quite a low bar to pass) on chicken welfare.

Raw eggs to cook.

I thought the lion also showed they were pasteurised.

Warm eggs

This makes me feel a bit queezy.

https://www.egginfo.co.uk/british-lion-eggs

I think it shows where the hens have been vaccinated against Salmonella, and therefore contain a 5G microchip.

What they said ^

https://www.egginfo.co.uk/british-lion-eggs

I think pasteurized eggs are an American thing, where they are even less stringent on healthy flocks and just clean the eggs to eliminate salmonella at the end. Compared to the vaccination of birds etc in UK/EU.

Yep. This is why Americans put their eggs in the fridge and we don't need to in the UK.

https://www.insider.com/why-europeans-dont-refrigerate-eggs-2016-12