General Election June 2017

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  • Honestly I don't understand how the NHS is so important to so many voters and yet people still will vote conservative after a whole year of Hunt so publically trying to ruin the NHS.

    It looks like the Torys have adopted Project Fear, saying if you don't vote for us then Brexit will be the worst it could be, when it reality the opposite is true. I hope it backfires on them just as it did to the Remain campaign.

  • because they hate forrin/brown people more than they love the NHS. brexit is going to be cynically exploited by the tories to usher in swathes of unchecked idealogical cuntery, and the people enabling them are going to be the worst hit. see wales.

    #weddingday

  • Yes, I recall when Nick Robinson took on his Today role, he replaced Jim Naughtie (who was a far more rigorous interviewer), and there was some strong suggestion that the Conservatives had brought about the change. During that period Cameron and Osborne were making public comments (i.e. threats) about potential changes to the BBC, and whenever they were on a programme such as Today, they would make a point of talking derisorily about it being a radio 'show'.

    That said, they've since taken on Mishal Hussain, and she's highly impressive.

  • Maybe the NHS thing is caused by the"Don't spend money you have" narrative from Thatcher... as in "oh we need to cut spending, yes live within our means".

    But I don't get it either. I don't get why you'd vote Tory in the current state, it's gone from a small government higher income party to a Ukcrap light.

    I've never been a fan of them, but the ones in the spotlight are all extremely dim. With a bad track record. But hey "UK OK, evil EU" yadda yadda.

  • 18 years of New Labour says different imo.

  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39712431

    Though perhaps Greenhell is right and it's all about the aul racism/xenophobia... that less-than-nothing Rudd wants to introduce a review to see if they can send refugees back 5 years after getting status to remain in the UK.

  • fuck me they really are soulless ghouls as is anyone that votes for these shits.

    what's the bet they get their mates in G4S / ATOS to handle the repatriation assessments. 'works' for disabled people.

  • @Velocio needs to work on the SEO for this...
    tactical2017.com/

    I only started helping on Sunday... so far rebuilt their entire architecture, moved them onto Cloudflare, ditched Wordpress, converted into static site, about to increase caching and speed it up.

    But yes! Share it far, share it wide... it's one of the few times it will actually make a difference as this is a campaign.

    #tactical2017
    https://www.tactical2017.com/

  • There's also the view (rightly or wrongly) that the public sector, including the NHS, is full of workers who couldn't cope in the private sector, managers who get paid a fortune for doing nothing and gold-plated pensions and that the tories are going to sort that out (without seeming to consider that the plans are sorting it out like God sorted out Sodom and Gomorrah).

  • ^ exactly. The principles are right, but how they go about it are crap.

    If you read private eye, they have pointed out NHS issues caused by management for ages, but the Tories just want to destroy it and sell it on.

    I am not totally against privatisation BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT only if everyone gets basic cover as we have now (we do pay for it) AND the government strictly controls the companies, otherwise it's going to be a bloated and expensive mess like the USA. I much prefer the NHS to exist as it is.

  • Boom! Good job :) Didn't know you were involved.

  • Honestly I don't understand how the NHS is so important to so many voters and yet people still will vote conservative after a whole year of Hunt so publically trying to ruin the NHS.

    How many people voting Tory have private healthcare and so don't see themselves reliant on the NHS?

  • I thought that most private healthcare 'cherry-picks' the easy stuff,
    varicose veins/cataracts/ physiotherapy, what have you,
    and leaves the invasive surgery, A&E, and long term cancer care, (as examples),
    to the NHS,
    meaning that even employees lured by the perk of 'Private Healthcare', find themselves back in NHS queues for serious stuff.

  • I have Private Healthcare from my employer- it heavily relies on NHS staff.

  • Exactly, which is why I said "don't see themselves reliant on the NHS", despite this being quite the case.

  • How many people voting Tory have private healthcare and so don't see themselves reliant on the NHS?

    I'd guess quite a few have insurance, but that is often fairly limited in scope. I'd have thought that in the UK a lot of private healthcare benefits from the NHS from a structural POV. People misequate(?) "not using the NHS much so far" with "reliant on". Last time I read anything on the subject it seems that most spending is on children and old people... neither of which I image have their own insurance.

    In relation to state spending I think a lot of Conservative voters feel frustrated when they see money that they have earned, taxed, and then wasted. This makes them understandably cynical.

    For eg stories about Whitehall civil servants on final salary pensions who've been involved in some total clusterfucks that have cost the state a fortune. That then contrasts with successive governments hitting their DC pensions. Unfortunately this is often equated with all state sector workers.

  • Aren't civil servants more likely to be the unfortunate people that have to implement ill-conceived policy commitments rather than the masterminds behind them? I recall a friend at HMT being frustrated to the point of despair at the short-term vote-seeking (and hugely impractical) ideas thrown out by George Osborne and his inner circle.

  • How many people voting Tory have private healthcare

    of the working poor who have now decided to vote tory because STRONG LEADERSHIP ™? not many i imagine.

  • would give rep etc.

    I'm not technically minded or I would offer to help. Is there anything members of this community who wish to do so can do to help?

    (aside from the obvious share it far and wide?)

  • My opinion on the reality? Or my opinion how Conservative voters perceive it?

    If it's the former, yes, I think you're right to an extent. Although I think there are sometimes serious failures which appear to lack consequences. I also recognise that politicians need to win votes and that often requires policies that sound appealing - like making VAT only apply to luxury goods.

    Dominic Cummings' blog has some quite interesting insights: https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/the-hollow-men-ii-some-reflections-on-westminster-and-whitehall-dysfunction/
    if you're centre left to left or anti-brexit, I think his blog should be on your reading list.

  • ^ isn't he a complete cunt?

  • Yes, I think that's a pretty apt description.

    Although in fairness I haven't met him yet.

  • I've just shared and tweeted it.
    I've a rather meagre social media presence though

  • I'm not technically minded or I would offer to help. Is there anything members of this community who wish to do so can do to help?

    (aside from the obvious share it far and wide?)

    Share it far, share it wide, share it often.

    https://www.tactical2017.com/

    It is constantly being updated with the best recommendation of who to vote for as information changes (i.e. in seats where both LIB and LAB stand a a chance, we're analysing past elections and feedback to determine the best choice to defeat the Conservative candidate).

    We need to get it out there, in the consciousness of people.

    The FPTP system is screwed, and whilst the Tories may well win... the best interest of the country is a healthy opposition. Incredibly, this may actually come from the Tory back bench... but only if the Tories do not have such a large majority that the number of rebels can be outvoted by other Tory MPs.

    For the least worst #brexit, and the least worst set of party policies, we need to ensure that the Tories do not get a landslide. Only that achieves having a healthy opposition, even if it doesn't change the government.

  • For the least worst #brexit, and the least worst set of party policies, we need to ensure that the Tories do not get a landslide.

    Depressing that this is the best (or least worst) outcome folks can hope for.

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General Election June 2017

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