EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

But people that lived here for years and had to be out of the country for work for 2 years still got residence denied.

It all depends how "commitment" is defined legally and applied.

Single market is freedom of movement the EU has said that over and over again.

It would be a new deal as Norway / ukraine have FOM I don't see the UK getting it as Cameron got told to shove it and he had fewer demands... So while not 100% impossible I really doubt it :)

Now of course FOM under EU law can be limited but that won't solve the demand side of immigration. With under 5% unemployment (not all employment great though) I still honestly don't get the hate for FOM.

It's a convenient scapegoat of course...

There is no rational reason for the hate. Immigration phobia is economically irrational.

Unless you have a vested interest in the NHS collapsing. With the exeunt of EU staff it will be dead on its ass two years after Brexit.

I am trying to stay optimistic about the future for my kids, as I'm sure parents in the cold war had to. I do believe in the march of progress and the unpredictable nature of calamity. It just sucks that some good things that I have always taken for granted are not likely to be there for them.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed Brexit gets canned and Labour makes a return...and a reform of FPTP would be nice too :)

I think discomfort and fear around immigration is somewhat normal. What is abnormal is the way the government just runs with it atm... :/

I think things like pensions/healthcare are just going to get less for every generation as the growth/pension model is built on constant economic growth. But even so, while things change they don't have to be a catastrophe perse. A lot depends on local policies.

This whole thing has given the EU a boot up the hole as well, as it cannot be taken from granted either.

Hammond, the nugget of sweet corn in the stemming turd that is the Tory party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/27/philip-hammond-brexit-petty-politics-must-not-hinder-economic-logic?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It would be a new deal as Norway / ukraine have FOM

I'm fairly certain this isn't right.

Holy shit that looks just like my FB profile pic.

I'm going by the graph the page before... Norway definitely has FOM.

I bolded Ukraine, but it's definitely hard to see in quotes/italics.

Ah gotcha now.

Hm, ok issues then:

1 - no FOM, what does that mean for the NI/ROI border? I know the UK/ROI have long standing agreements, but in theory EU furrin's could then get in the UK with ROI...

2 - Does the timeline fit? Only about a year left...

3 - Is there enough good will after all the shambles?

4 - It is still worth it...losing the Euro clearings, medicine agency etc. is a big deal

http://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/the-brief-can-the-ukrainian-model-solve-the-brexit-conundrum/

^ Few more points. It notes financial services needs a special agreement on top.

And it leaves all the issues EU nationals have to go through atm on rights etc. as there's no FOM.

re 4. I strongly suspect that they've ballsed this up anyway. London had a lot going for it for clearing / financial services, one of which things being that there was a mature, (strong and...) stable government which wouldn't do stupid things to interrupt companies businesses. Whether that's good or bad, you decide.

However, even if they cancelled Brexit tomorrow, they've lost that reputation - and they'll never get it back. I imagine there'd be a lot of CEOs looking at London and wondering if a little geographic diversification in their companies wouldn't be a bad thing in any case in the light of all these recent ludicrous referenda / elections.

There's always inertia/friendship in business, if Brexit is canned at least some of it can be kept.

Sounds better than none of it :)

With such a practiced air of total stupidity you could put him in a tracksuit and give him a can of Tenents Super and he'd fit right in in the very best of junkyards. Like a more stupid Steptoe.

People without any interest in politics were more motivated to vote in the referendum.

Well done Murdoch, Dacre, Desmond, et al.

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/did-the-eu-referendum-bring-a-different-kind-of-voter-to-the-polls/

http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-34/key-findings/context.aspx

Anyone going to the Thomson Reuters debate this evening?

IDS has pulled out and they have Carswell filling in- not sure if I'm up for it due to switch.

IDS has pulled out and they have Carswell filling in

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I think Carswell would be a better speaker. I don't agree with any of his views, but I do think he is smarter and less of an a*se than IDS

Low bar

Agree completely! My comment was "less of" rather than "not a"

Thomson Reuters event: Carswell spotted doing the rounds.

Apparently there is a q and a- might ask #WTFIGO for the forum.

#WTactualFIGO

#whatsthefuckingpointof#

It makes shit blue.

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