EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Probably should add that I had a typo in my earlier statement which changed the meaning slightly but I think most people got it. It's just an alternative view that corporates are simply a body of individuals that could be taxed more effectively than the corporate body.

I'm a lot closer to eat the rich and f**k it all given that I can't think of a single period in history where there has been a decent balance in society and money doesn't define life for the individual or society.

Good Grauniad editorial, I think:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/23/the-guardian-view-on-brexit-wrong-then-wrong-now-wrong-in-future

(Again, I don't mean to imply that everything's right with the EU. It isn't.)

Not everything is alright with the UK either... ;)

My perception is still that brexit is 90% UK made issues the EU got blamed for and bad risk / reward perception... The other 10% is proper socialism/not liking compromise with 27 other states.

If that's worth trashing the economy and taking away rights from UK / EU citizens is an exercise for the reader :)

Can everyone stop telling the truth and be a bit more patriotic please. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40386788/brexit-tory-mp-leadsom-says-broadcasters-should-be-patriotic

Please stick to what the ministry of truth tells you.

^ pleasant isn't it? :/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-nationals-response-year-anniversary-referendum-suicidal-a7802666.html

Of course everyone reacts differently, but I was in a pretty poor mood after the referendum for quite some time.

Other EU nationals think it'll work out or blow over or like the UK more than their birth country :)

And to think that she was a genuine contender in the Tory leadership campaign.

she probably still is.

It's just an alternative view that corporates are simply a body of individuals that could be taxed more effectively than the corporate body.

Yeah, this. Always thought taxing profit was a bit odd. Turnover, as described above, might make more sense. Might not.

There is already a de facto turnover tax for most things as well, though - VAT

corporation tax is payable at a fair percentage of turnover for the industry you are in

Isn't that effectively imposing a minimum profit margin for a business to be viable?

https://www.markpack.org.uk/150559/great-graphic-explains-options-britain-outside-european-union/

Overview of options the UK has.

It's not super detailed, so I'm not sure if keeping access to services (see Ukraine) means, for example, that lawyers/insurance traders can still easily trade with the EU, or if legislation that's been agreed for that then needs re-negotiated.

From today's FT

snowflake

You won, get over it.

Farage and Hoey are probably on their boat over to the Isle of Wight as we speak

This letter makes me think I need to be doing me writing better like

Does show that not all Brexit voters were thick cunts.

Tcha the one at work has a master's in physics...

...still swallowed the "EU is corrupt" argument wholesale.

I don't know what he thinks about it now and dare not ask, as there was a near fight in the kitchen when article50 wasn't instantly invoked last year.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/all-the-rights-eu-citizens-in-the-uk-are-set-to-lose-after-brexit-2017-6

So, ya. Of course a lot of this is caused because the UK needs to be so strict/xenophobic about immigration. To the extent UK judges said that income requirements for UK citizens to bring in non-UK spouses may be legal under UK law, but they acknowledged the issues this brings.

Now that Theresa May's Casebooks account has stopped Tory Jesus might be my new daily fix

This one:
"Right for EU citizens to leave the UK for long periods will be restricted post-Brexit."

The article says that if you're a 'settled citizen', if you leave for two years you may be restricted in coming back. That seems so bonkers, perhaps because I'm used to EU citizenship / freedoms.

Is that normal in other countries (outside the EU). If I'm an expat / citizen in Australia, would I face the same restriction?

You know, I honestly don't know. Only ever lived in EU countries (Netherlands / Austria)

As you say we compare it to what we have now, if only the UK was more relaxed compared to EU rules :)

PR lapses after 2 years away. I don't think that's EU mandated though...

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/eu-nationals-permanent-residence/index_en.htm

I used to work for NZ immigration and residents needed to demonstrate a commitment to living there to retain their resident status.

I think that's pretty common. Basically you don't get unlimited rights to pick and choose. If you want to be there for the long haul then you have to be there for the long haul.

It reminds me of a similar chart - I'll see if I can find it. That was regarding a proposal for a "two circles" EU. Under that we would sit in a similar position as Turkey.

It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a Turkey + "Access to the EU single market for services". Unfortunately our hapless leaders probably don't have the skill to get that deal.