EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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Fucking new you were a foreign!

As Charlie Brooker said "I have a mortgage is the new "we didn't know"" ;)

I haz emailed my MP:

Considering the court ruling on article 50 which states Parliament must vote on the trigger of article 50: I strongly urge you to vote against taking the UK out of the EU, failing that to vote against taking the UK out of the EEC.

May is currently pushing for a Brexit that takes the UK fully out of the EU and the EEC: The economic risks for NI are very high as we trade a lot with ROI, we will lose all the EU funding, funding for farming is also not resolved atm and there is lots of farming here and the government cannot give any guarantees on the border, it will be up to the EU.

If a hard border returns, it can lead to social unrest and worse a return of violence. For what?

Therefore I ask you to vote against triggering article 50 altogether, I have lived here 12 years as an EU immigrant and I don't want to see this place going downhill again, this is my home by now. My son was born here, he likes it here, we all like it here and I have seen Belfast improving massively. I'm afraid things will go downhill again and nothing I have seen of this Brexit so far makes me hope the situation for NI, or even a lot of people overall in the UK, will improve.

There are no guarantees given to the UK people either, I am not even going to bring up the risks to my situation as I can always leave: But some people here will be off worse, and they cannot leave easily. All promises so far have been broken bar to "leave the EU" what good will that do if NI, already a poor area of the UK, is even poorer and social unrest will return here?

Will edit a bit more and send to Belfast Lords as well.
Clusterfuck this...

Labour will just sleepily go along with whatever...

So much this. This result should be a win for the opposition but Corbyn is so weak it's business as usual.

Why aren't Labour pushing for a referendum on the final deal like the Lib Dems?

I actually said I don't agree with this point, using his own campaign as an example. And I agree with your examples.
Where I am in agreement with Cummings is that certain classes use political discourse as signalling to their peer group in a more abstract fashion and do not suffer the same impacts from political will that less educated, lower earning groups with limited resources and choices do.

I suppose I'm saying that the power of memes to infect debate crosses all class lines. Just different strokes for different folks.

I second that. This is their chance to ensure rights are upheld.

Socialism is dead to me now. All the NI hard-line socialist parties also wanted brexit cos the EU has issues.

Not denying that but now we may end up in a worse situation. Same for the English anti EU for socialist reasons voters.

Is this QC on LFGSS?

https://twitter.com/JamesTurner37/status/823863034749874177

Seems like he read my comment above on the tabloid response :)

If you do read the whole judgment it is surprising - and perhaps a sad sign of the times - to see the number of disclaimers about the decision that are clearly aimed at the tabloid mentality.

nowt to do with the labour pissing away months worth of advantage with futile leadership struggles, obvs...

Tell us what a great job Corbyn is doing again.

Eventually we might believe it.

then get someone elected to the leadership who will do a better job. corbyns reticence to oppose article 50 is seeing a lot of his support dry up. now's the time.

No no no we need a proper Commie leadership pogrom with some murdering in the Party...

joke alert aimed at the idiots calling Labour commies obv.

I am a member of Unite, but I don't know if they are planning to call new elections...

Perhaps a shitload of strongly worded emails, that won't fix the votability though unless Labour goes LibDem and shows some gumption.

2/3 of Labour MPs represent constituencies that voted leave. If you're curious as to why Labour isn't demanding a second referendum, you may as well ask why the Tories aren't doing the same. To pretend that this is all about Corbyn isn't particularly helpful (or even close to being accurate). This is a Labour problem. You think Umunna would do things differently? Take a look at his position on this.

(In other news, I have just learned that "riding" is a Canadian political term. If I used it in this context would anyone know what I was talking about?)

To pretend that this is all about Corbyn isn't particularly helpful (or even close to being accurate). This is a Labour problem.

Agree. It's much worse than just being a Corbyn problem, unfortunately.

Riding? Nope.

It doesn't have to be a second referendum: Even voting NO if what comes back from negotiations, on the balance of probabilities, will harm their constituencies more than staying in the EU or demanding money to solve issues is something.

Talk about the EU being "technocrats" and "capitalists" and "undemocratic" and then playing in the hands of exactly those types in the UK, don't see that ending well.

Well, every cloud. Brexit means Brexit, but maybe also cheap Indian bikes.

https://cyclingindustry.news/boris-johnson-nudges-india-with-zero-tariff-comment-on-imported-bicycles/

I will be a VERY happy man if that actually happens.

Why aren't Labour pushing for a referendum on the final deal like the Lib Dems?

Lots of reasons I guess, the main two I would guess are

....because they've lost their traditional base in England to UKIP and probably the Tories soon too and don't want to risk loosing more. Whilst knowing that they lack the competencey to spin the reason for blocking the vote over workers rights issues.

...because they (rightly or wrongly) think that as the 2nd party if they get into bed with the SNP, Lib Dems and Greens they will forever be viewed as a weak nothing party.

Oh and that point up there about a vote out being representative of their constituents.

Goddamn I thought we were talking about motorcycles there for a second. I would drop a few grand on a Royal Enfield without thinking twice.

I would drop a few grand on a Royal Enfield without thinking twice.

rly? they are shite .. I had one.

Very popular with the Brexit voters, it reminds them of the shit motorbikes they had when they were young.

That's part of their charm imo. Drove one around Chennai for a while. Boneshaking, unreliable, and wonderful.

Boneshaking, unreliable, and wonderful.

I couldn't describe it better. I toured on mine .. max was 2700km in 3 days in summer through Rajasthan.