EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Personally I think he's the wrong person to lead the Labour party, but
I have no idea who should, such is the paucity of options.

Agreed, unfortunately. I also agree that he has most of the media against him but his view on that is that it's not worth engaging with them and he's better of criticising them - I don't think that's helping.

Also, it's not just a media thing. He genuinely hasn't taken most of the country with him, including a lot of Labour supporters. This is a problem and not one that can be blamed purely on media bias.

Cycled to work today and saw a van that was being unloaded with flowers pots be to hung from lampposts. Yay! Flowers for the streets!

Then I saw the "Leave" sign on the side of it.

:'(

Probably Dutch flowers too they were unloading... O_o

this referendum has been soundly fucked by the self serving cunts that
called it in the first place

Oh absolutely. This far more Cameron's fault for calling it in the first place than JC's. But the problem with being in opposition is that you don't get to call the shots.

I think people genuinely don't know how to deal with the lack of
'dynamism' but actual considered thought

I'd actually quite like Corbyn to be in charge, partly because I agree with most of the things he says, partly because he is in general a conviction politician and partly because I'd love a PM who is a bit boring and overshadowed by his own policies. But I'm a realist.

But the problem with being in opposition is that you don't get to call the shots.

And in JC's case, he's unable to call the shots in opposition and within his own party and within the meeja.

as luck would have it, gideon osborne has just lit a fire under the working classes by promising to fuck them even harder and deeper should they be foolish enough to not vote to remain. cue 57 tory MPs piping up and saying they'll vote down his emergency budget... which is ironic considering the list of cunts in question.

seeing the tory party falling apart at the seams is making this whole sordid affair mildly palatable

^ Shit move that. I hate brexshit, I think it's dumb, but ultimately it's the people's choice.
Going by:

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/13045376/

The working class is more likely to vote BrexShit. And don't they stand more to lose? Why would they care about this asshattery if the vote isn't based on a bottom line calculation?

People love voting against their own interests when there's a sufficient bogeyman.

People love voting against their own interests when there's a sufficient bogeyman.

As evidenced by the US Govt willfully trampling over Constitutional Rights with little public resistance because, terrrrrrizm.

and alligators!

Indeed - Unreasonable search and seizure? Whatevs. Right to due process? DGAF.

DON'T TAKE MY GUNZ BECAUZE GATORZ AND TERRRRRRIZM

You'd think the Tories are all bogeymans but what do I know :P

The working class is more likely to vote BrexShit. And don't they
stand more to lose? Why would they care about this asshattery if the
vote isn't based on a bottom line calculation?

Because the debate isn't about the stuff that matters - economics, the potentially catastrophic effect of going it on our own so soon after a major economic crisis with few levers of our own to pull - but about the bogeymen as @Well_is_it says.

Well. Then as we say in The Netherlands: If you burn your ass, you will have to sit on the blisters.

Then if the worst happens, nearly everybody will deny responsibility and not blame themselves.

Perhaps it's time for an LFGSS benevolent dictatorship, but there may be forced re-education camps for bicycle anti-porn then ;)

As much as I loath Osborne, I can't help thinking that his 'vote brexit and I'll fuck things up even more just to spite you' approach is at least compatible with the current argument. It's suitably juvenile and might actually make a few brexiteers emerge from their Vera Lynn fug and have a little think.

Gove's playing his trump card. He's out if the referendum doesn't go his way. He has a lot to lose personally. However, it (cuts + taxes) will also be, by account of the vast majority of - sorry, Gove - experts, necessary.

So this may be a weird moment where George Osborne's self-serving self-interest coincides with reality and, perhaps even, the public good.

I feel dizzy.

i feel sick.

who wants a drink?

Soho tomorrow post-work?

London could go independent and remain. That would be... Hilarious.

yeah i'm in. where's the kangawrangler?

probably racing cars or buying a yacht or some other shit. I'll send an email.

I read that the NI Stormont gov may also have to ratify a Brexit.

Unfortunately the numbskulls of the DUP are the biggest party, but no way the second party (SF) is going to approve a Brexit. Then ROI will also get involved, going to be a whole hassle the likes you've never seen.

Fun times.

So this may be a weird moment where George Osborne's self-serving self-interest coincides with reality and, perhaps even, the public good.

Yeah it feels a bit 'good guy sides with bad guy to fight common enemy' trope.

This is a weird question, and it comes from the Sun, but it's interesting (and perhaps gives some insight into Remain's strategy).

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/742999499463925764

ooooh i'd say 50 quid. does this cover your complimentary one way ticket back to america?