EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It's got nothing to do with the electorate, this referendum was conceived to satisfy the internal tensions within the Conservative Party.

A brexit vote doesn't actually mean that the UK will leave the EU.

Gonna be in Sweden when the shit goes down. Will be looking at flats and the work situation pretty closely. It was supposed to be a holiday.

Having said that, they'll probably be next.

Did I see a video of ex-pats in Spain who were voting leave?

It's got nothing to do with the electorate, this referendum was conceived to satisfy the internal tensions within the Conservative Party.

It's definitely both, and the two are linked: he was worried about more Tory MPs defecting to UKIP and getting re-elected.

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Good point; I wouldn't be surprised if parliament dragged their feet about brexit if the leave camp wins.

Sun readers? Surprise :)

Interesting to see Ni being Bremain. It would be utter moronity to leave but lots of leave shouters on social media from NI.

Perhaps a brexit will teach the electorate they get shafted by their own government and not the eu.

At a price that's imho too high. But hey.

the leave shower won't wake up until they start losing their jobs. cutting their collective noses off to spite their collective, fatuous faces.

if we get rid of the forrins there'll be plenty of care work to look after all the old people that voted to leave. and none of them pesky EU working regulations to stop you doing 60 hours a week.

I think the whole GFA pivoted on the ECHR act being embedded in NI law which is one of the reason the whole UK "bill of rights" reform has been kicked in the long grass for years because no-one can make one work without the other.

Is it too strong to consider divorce if you spouse turns votes out?

What is wrong with Corbyn?

He's entirely failing to provide an effective opposition when we really need one.

A load of Labour supporters are set to vote leave - it was his job to convince them.

He has fiddled while Rome burns with his petty political infighting when he should have been uniting the party.

He was elected on a wave of enthusiasm for change, but what has he changed? What has he delivered?

Apart from that, all good.

His petty political infighting? Isn't that the main preoccupation of the Blairite faction within the Labour Party?

He's Leader of the Opposition so all he can deliver is fighting the government, and thus far he's done a fairly decent job. The Party did a lot better in the local elections than most predicted and we now have a Labour Mayor again in London.

What were you expecting?

Those charts are lovely are they behind a pay wall?

It wasn't the Blairite faction who had an embarrassing, prolonged, drawn out chaotic reshuffle in January where the shadow chancellor told the media why people had been sacked (why would you do that, other than to help your enemies?) and an opposition minister resigned live on TV. At what everyone thought was the end of it all - Corbyn said he had a 'strong' cabinet and attempted to draw a line under the mess - Catherine McKinnell then resigned.

Corbyn has failed to take the Labour party in any given direction, which is rather the point of a leader. I'm a Labour party member who is sympathetic to many of his causes (I agree with him on most things, if not everything) but from any balanced viewpoint leading a political party is not one of his strengths.

Claiming he has done a decent job of fighting the government is laughable. Firstly, and most fundamentally, he has failed to correct the Tory orthodoxy that Labour does a bad job with the economy and spent all the money when they were in power. Both of these things are, by any objective measure, untrue. But they are also incredibly damaging to a political party (it's the economy, stupid). He has also failed to convince Jewish people that the Labour party is not systemically anti-Semitic, which is a great way to lose a lot of votes but obviously much much worse than that.

Generally his approach has totally failed to connect with the wider public and the only people he has convinced are the converted. He has surrounded himself with far-left idealogues, then peered out from his ivory tower of principle with his chums as Britain approaches the perilous rocks of Brexit.

Then, at the last minute, realising we're about to get dashed on said rocks, and that the reality of his anti-EU personal views is that actually we're better in given the huge damage it could do to our economy and frankly, we're all a bit fucked: made a too little, too late attempt to turn the ship of British ship of public opinion away from the rocks of disaster.

Apart from that, sure, he's fine.

Plz stay so i can keep purchasing stuff from you guys.

regardless of what you think of JC, some justified, some i respectfully disagree with (his speech yesterday is worth a listen) - this referendum has been soundly fucked by the self serving cunts that called it in the first place. the remain tories are now seeing what 6 years of appeasing racist xenophobes whilst scapegoating the poor and the not-from-around-these parts gets you.

I'm not sure there I have to admit. Amnesty hasn't mentioned it as a block don't like the bill of rights as its weak.

The GFA does mean special status with ROI, so the border can be a big pita on brexit. I don't think it'll be good for trade either..

You seem to think his job is to somehow overcome the bias of pretty much the entire UK media sector towards him. Quite how was he meant to do that?

Personally I think he's the wrong person to lead the Labour party, but I have no idea who should, such is the paucity of options.

Ok I get the leader problem.

But changing a party is a pita. Blairites gonna be a pest, and media is also quite biased.

He's not a smooth operator type doesn't bother me. But I suppose it bothers some parts of the electorate.

Well let them eat cuts then...

regardless of what you think of JC, some justified, some i respectfully disagree with (his speech yesterday is worth a listen) - this referendum has been soundly fucked by the self serving cunts that called it in the first place. the remain tories are now seeing what 6 years of appeasing racist xenophobes whilst scapegoating the poor and the not-from-around-these parts gets you.

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You seem to think his job is to somehow overcome the bias of pretty much the entire UK media sector towards him. Quite how was he meant to do that?

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Generally his approach has totally failed to connect with the wider public and the only people he has convinced are the converted.

Unsure how he's supposed to connect with those who need convincing when he's unable to grab hold of a discussion point in the media without being undercut by his own party members who want him out or deal with sensible human beings in opposition.

^ yup - he's exactly the opposite of what we've had for so long I think people genuinely don't know how to deal with the lack of 'dynamism' but actual considered thought - does he need to say 'woop woop' a bit more to win people over?