EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I’m not suggesting it would have been offered for free - but to be honest it would have been an easy give for France / Germany as it would have cost them nothing or even have been slightly beneficial if it diverted migrant flows to those countries in favour of the UK.

That’s why I say “dogma” - there was a pragmatic route / mutually beneficial compromise but that does not seem to be the way the EU functions.

There was a pragmatic transition period where countries could limit immigration from Eastern Europeans, lots of other countries did it, Britain chose not to. But they are great at moaning about their own past decisions as if it was someone else's fault.

You’re not wrong. It is just frustrating that we went through this massive national upheaval to stop something that people now don’t seem to care very much about. And that could have been achieved inside the EU with costs mainly to us and not to other member states.

See my post above re. Conservative manifesto. They said they would limit immigration and did nothing. Nothing at all.

The EU laws have to be debated and changed, with over 20 countries discussing, some countries have vetoes etc.

Perhaps Cameron could have used and abused some permittable emergency stop.

But no way the EU commission would get into such a hot issue cos the UK isn't happy over its own balls-up.

It's all academic now hopefully the nasty brexiters won't start attacking immigrants and immigration again but with Priti Patel they don't have to.

That woman is a walking not spellchecked reaction letter to a xenophobic daily mail column.

That woman is a walking not spellchecked reaction letter to a xenophobic daily mail column.

It's political posturing. She knows she'll never be accepted by the majority of the Conservative party membership because she isn't white, so her strategy is to show how supportive she is of the cause by being demonstrably anti-immigrant and throwing them raw meat at every opportunity.

How she sleeps at night is beyond me though.

I suppose she can get really nice bedsheets with her income? ;)

/sarc aside, the abused (as she faced nasty racism which is never ok) become the abuser to cosy up to fellow abusers is never a pleasant sight..

Uber judgement expected tomorrow from the Supreme Court. Will they ignore the previous ECJ ruling on B v Yodel?

wrong thread

fuck brexit

This is idiotic:

https://www.autosport.com/national/news/155147/motorsport-uk-hails-ignificant-victory-on-vnuk

On the face of it, good British common sense has prevailed over the pesky EU...

however... in the article it says that 2 years ago...

After extensive lobbying, a crucial vote in January 2019 by an EU Parliamentary committee went in favour of motorsport by excluding motorsport from the amended wording of the MID. This was subsequently approved by the European Parliament.

The DUP is now mounting a court case over the NI protocol cos of a change in legal status for NI.

While that case may have merits I am out of irony meters yet again. Gonna have to order Irish ones ;)

I get attacked for saying "maybe the bad guys have a point" cos tribalism.

Great.

Many business and other groups going to chat to EU to try to get more compromise as the protocol really hurts their business and now we can't get trees from GB for free tree planting cos Gove didn't bother to go into detail.

He's gone now we have "the EU us afraid of independent player UK" Lord Frost (several more irony meters broken) hopefully he just say yes to it all to make "problem NI" go away.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/isle-of-man-jettisons-itself-from-uk-to-secure-fishing-agreement-with-eu-222046/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=sfeu&fbclid=IwAR3EX2hCECTooHzYrY4eXs6MDrkIHmzboor-1E09WYm5oHSl4CNJnXtOIxU

IOM negotiates new fishing arrangement with EU, like Gibraltar ended up negotiating a new border agreement and joined Schengen.

Can't blame them.

Sylvie Bermann has views which she is not afraid to put across - now that she's no longer a French diplomat.

She predicts: “Boris Johnson’s temptation will be to hide the bill for Brexit under the Covid carpel, valued at more than £200bn for 2020, almost as much as the United Kingdom’s total contribution to the European Union since its accession in 1973, which was £215bn.”

No idea if her numbers are accurate, but sheesh

No idea if her numbers are accurate, but sheesh

The answer is “possibly” but when you compare government spending on the one hand with GDP on the other and make counterfactual assumptions the error bars get very big very quickly.

https://fullfact.org/europe/online-cost-brexit-net-contributions/

It gets even trickier when you layer in incidence

No idea if her numbers are accurate, but sheesh

Even if she's out by 50%, the bill for 2020 and 2021 will eclipse the total contribution. It's no less absurd over two years than one.

Was surprised to read she thought immigration concessions would be offered but since there's no detail these could have been quite "mild".

Tx again Cameron for gambling you'd win...

No idea if her numbers are accurate, but sheesh

Wasn't some comparison like that made years ago? I seem to remember similar figures.

Fucking wow she does not hold back!

Looks like we will see British racing teams leaving steadily for EU countries: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/what-does-brexit-mean-for-british-teams-and-riders

Steadily or at great speed?

Could be both, surely

Just notice this in my news.

I clicked on it cause I thought it was a genuine headline, until I notice it’s from the government, and sponsored too.

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it’s from the government

Bit early for April 1st