EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

How pissed was Gove?

https://mobile.twitter.com/josephballs_/status/1177094193170255872

Bercow avoiding the fumes?

Looks ready to upgrade from out out to out out out.

Also, is the chap behind/right of Bercows seat snorting something before the nose rub?

Looks like we get a break for a week, it's unlikely they'll stop Parliament breaking for the Tory Party conference.

Results of that division in a few minutes...

Oops. Nope. 306-289.

surely boris should bring a motion saying that the sky is blue or that 2+2=4 just so he can win something

its getting embarrassing

306-289.

Or 52% - 48%, if you prefer percentages...

Shitfaced, by the look of it. Hardly unusual behaviour at Westminster, though.

Boris claimed that he had not talked about “betrayal” in the Commons -
even though he said in his opening statement: “We will not betray the
people who sent us here; we will not.” When it was put to him that he
had used words like betrayal, he said: I don’t think I did say
anything about a betrayal.

Damn that inconvenient Hansard malarkey...

(Edited: mixed up my references)

So when Harland and Wolff got into trouble "it's nothing to do with us" but now Johnson is stepping in to save Wrightbus. I suspect part of the reason is so he can snipe at Khan for not re-ordering routemasters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49837250

BTW Very dodgy dealings brought down WB mostly, one of the owners bought land cheaply for a new megachurch (the DUP sold it to them, not businesses who would have paid more for it...) and then they ended up donating a lot of the profits to said church!

Now Ballymena already lost 2 big employers but until they buck out the owners that done this and get rid of the land rent they wanted to charge (which is the reason a buyer pulled out) don't know what realistically can be done. I would not touch it with a bargepole until that is sorted...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49845220

"Boris Johnson has said the role he envisages for NI politicians in approving an alternative to the Irish border backstop is one of the reasons why it would be "fantastic" if power-sharing was restored to Stormont."

Yeah lol, until the DUP changes their tune that ain't gonna happen.

Sororal dissent:

Rachel Johnson, the Prime Minister’s sister, believes her brother may
be cracking under the intense pressure of the billionaires shorting
the £ & UK economy on understanding they’ll be a no deal brexit.

Where's that quote from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_d7tBa4L4&feature=youtu.be

seems clear now that the cummings strategy is just the timothy strategy on steroids i.e. "maximise the white vote." they're not going to win back voters that supported cameron in 2010 and 15 so they're going to look for narrow wins in LAB-held marginals in the midlands, wales and the north - places with fewer graduates, remain voters or ethnic minorities than average. importantly: (1) don't think you can win a majority w/this; and, (2) the labour leadership are too canny for this - they will meet this trump-lite culture war nonsense with class politics + a better retail offer.

not sure it will be the parliament Vs people election, cummings thinks it will be. more likely to be socialism Vs barbarism

Or the strategy is to come up with a way to ignore the Benn Act:-

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1177268281239097344

his tactics are consistent with that polling from earlier this year that said

(1) 54% of voters want "a strong leader willing to break the rules";
(2) faith in the UK political system has dropped to a 15-year low;
(3) 66% think politicians should be able to say what is on their mind regardless of what anyone else thinks about their views; and,
(4) 42% think many of the country's problems could be dealt with more effectively if the government didn't have to worry so much about votes in parliament

I wonder why Tories didn't go for the non-aggression pact offered by Labour (to just pass non-controversial bills while the conference is on). They must have known they'd lose today.

Think the media would go fucking nuts if some sort of anti-Brexit bill passes while the Tories are away at a conference - probably put out worse headlines than "enemies of the people". Also it would be easy for the Tories to claim the Remoaners are playing dirty to justify their own horrible tactics like prorogation.

I think the opposition would be wise to push through a bunch of non-controversial bills (e.g. domestic violence, animal abuse bills) and say something like "this is the kind of sensible politics/compromise that happens when the Tories aren't involved".

Ta.

Such as this, sure to get some people angry.

I'm hearing plans for a new opposition @UKLabour @LibDems @theSNP Bill next week to give voters aged 16+ the vote in future elections [?] Might be game changer

https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1177235529395576834

One interesting aspect of this is surely you could never take the vote from someone once they've got it. That just looks abominably bad/tyrannical/whatever. Unless there are flaws in the bill it would be very hard to undo. No?

One interesting aspect of this is surely you could never take the vote from someone once they've got it.

But you could reverse it by not giving it to future 16 year olds from a certain date by saying "voters are those aged 18 or over on polling day and/or those born on or before date X". That means someone who was 16 on date X gets to vote but anyone a day younger than that doesn't (and they never had to vote to have it taken away from them).

I mean politically though. How are you going to argue that? "We think you're too stupid/immature to vote" - an entire generation of young people would vow never to vote Tory. If they haven't already.

What Milliband was on about was when Boris said MPs must deliver Brexit in order to be “properly safe”.

"That's a nice MP you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to
them."

https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1177248640181686274

I mean politically though. How are you going to argue that? "We think you're too stupid/immature to vote" - an entire generation of young people would vow never to vote Tory. If they haven't already.

I'm sure the Tories would just employ the Modern Political Method of just doing it would explanation or anything to back it up.

Sunlit uplands.