EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Well, it is true old voters have died off. That is also not taking into account.

And you are right they may not change. And yep let's take to the people affected.

But I think it distorts the conversation a bit because people have sympathy for protest voters, but this project is not driven by them but by those not affected that don't care about them either.

Those forearms ARE very me

Rich may come out of Brexit well

What pisses me off most of all is people saying "we'll have to grow our own food" - okay, that's fine if you're a Telegraph-reading retiree with a massive garden, not so much if you live in a flat with 2 windows and work full time on minimum wage. Are they going to share their produce around, do you think? Are they fuck.

We could always eat the poshos I guess

or use them for compost.

not sure that's going to help people living in flats tho.

Also, isn't there quite a significant lead in to be able to grow your own food? I mean, food's presumably going to stop arriving to some degree or other on 1st November.

It's taken most of the summer for me to yield half a dozen plums from the tree in my garden.

Yes, and it's winter approaching, which is famously bountiful when it comes to growing food

Yes, and it's also not quite a simple as just "put these seeds in some soil and you'll have food" either. The whole notion is definitely ridiculous.

As an interesting comparison: from 1940 to 1945, Switzerland had the 'Plan Wahlen', also called 'Anbauschlacht', or 'battle for cultivation'(?). It was essentially a plan to increase the percentage of self-sufficiency in Swiss food consumption due to, well, WW2 happening all around the country. The agricultural area was expanded from 183k to 352k hectares, plus another 20k hectares in small areas like gardens and the like. Production was also switched from being more livestock-oriented towards more efficient crops that can be consumed by humans directly.

Results: Grain production for bread doubled, potato production tripled, vegetable production quadrupled. Self-sufficiency went from ~50% in 1940 to 70-80% in 1945, which definitely helped avoid famines for the 4.something million Swiss people plus 300k refugees from other countries.

So, basically it took 5 years and a concerted, strict national effort during a time of war to raise self-sufficiency, and it was still not at 100% (though I suspect purely calorie-wise, they were OK). Good luck with "growing our own food"...

Daily Mail readers will be fighting each other to glean the rosehips from hedgerows.

The mail has it's own modest proposal for home-grown food:

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Not that I'm a flesh eater,
but,
there look to be quite a few portions in Sarah Vine.

That is really only possible after a hard Brexit, I don't think humans comply with EU food standards and regulations ;)

If I'm going to have to chow down on gammon steak every night I hope we can at least get a few pineapples in from somewhere.

pineapples

Good old times innit
https://justhistoryposts.com/2019/03/15/when-pineapples-were-the-height-of-luxury/

It could go either way, either we feast on gammon, or we end up in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where poor people are forced to sell off their limbs and organs to rich people (as a delicacy or for medical purposes) in order to pay the rent, or maybe they'll simply be hunted on horseback/with dogs.

With Boris at the helm I think the latter is more likely.

I’ll only eat human flesh if it’s been chlorinated first.

my mum's just bought a freezer for the garage to stock up, know a few other folk that have done the same. Given that most urban gardens have been monoblocked and astroturfed over by their slob like owners I wouldn't think we're going to feed many people through domestic agriculture...

Not exactly confidence inspiring.

We will be ok for food- just not fresh food.

Challenge is going to be growing insulin on your allotment- a problem my father has, and the single thing stopping me moving to the Alps at the moment.

Challenge is going to be growing insulin on your allotment

We'll just harvest from the pigs proles

Or like the USA poor use animal insulin and hope you don't die.

I don't think humans comply with EU food standards and regulations

Too bent?

:):)

Also, it's very hard to do the farm to food tracking...you've no idea where they have been and what they've eaten. They don't even know if white powder they sniff was cocaine or flour :p

I reckon vegans will fetch premium prices.

If you think vegan cheese is disgusting now, try the post-brexit variety.

It’s not vegan.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1165347773178425346

Poll out tonight by @OpiniumResearch finds that when it comes to the impact of a No Deal Brexit on Britain:

✅37% believe it’d be positive

❌35% believe it’d be negative

We're too stupid for democracy. AI dictatorship please.

https://www.opinium.co.uk/

Sounds like "research"

Lucidtalk in NI uses decent methodology for their polls. This lot...Hm.