EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I think an extension is best case scenario for the EU, maintain status quo wait for political climate to change and scrap the whole thing. Or uk resolve to leave hardens and we leave in 2 years - but I don’t think it’ll be a hard brexit now it’ll be soft or not at all. I hope I am right.

Interesting to hear if they still want to go or changed their minds.

The EU have a finite amount of patience and May has exhausted it. Unless she’s gone and we come up with a realistic way forward, there will be no long extension.

Feels like we're at the end of the road, fatigue definitely setting in. Reckon May's deal will pass between now and Brexit Day II.

Handy picture. Basically, the Tories are against everything (still).

Do you think they want May gone? Likelihood is we would get BJ in with his new pushy missus. That would mean hard brexit surely.

I can't help but feel that a general election would only make things worse too.

Handy picture. Basically, the Tories are against everything (still).

Unsurprising, the Tories don't want a soft Brexit, don't want a second referendum and don't want anything that leads to revocation of A50.

What about hard brexit and become 51st state of USA?

I seriously despair by now.

Settled Status means thousands of people will be evicted 10 years down the line, unless the government completely changes
None of the solutions voted on resolves the border in NI (it is either SM/CU or NI special status which won't fly)

Best hope by now is something + a vote leading to rejecting it (and that'll be another bitter campaign), but we don't seem to get to the something...

Yeah, if you add Mays deal on there it's a mirror. The majority of the conservative party is still in line behind Mays deal. The issue is, that's not enough for her following the shit show that was her 2017 election. That is the only thing that's stoped the deal and the reason were currently paralyzed. It's led to the knife edge which is remaining or crashing.

only sensible option is to revoke? What will be the impact of that compared to No Deal - a few hundred Gammons get all shouty outside Westminster for a couple of days?

Revoking looks sensible from the outside but nobody on the inside would risk doing it.

so its May's WA or No Deal? I can't see there being an extension, nor a GE

Actually -

GE is called
Labour win
Corbyn immediately revokes then resigns

Would be a proper that turned out better than expected moment

A disaffection amongst the electorate leading to even lower turnouts from people already feeling marginalised. Handing electoral power to the daily mail reading grannies of the Tory party. PM Boris and 20 more years of increasingly right wing governments.

would Labour win? I doubt that

I know I’m dreaming / joking

Plus pissing off the 10-15 million people that are still supporting Leave.

Can't see a reason for LD not to do that

GE
Lib Dems campaign on a single issue with an absolute, unequivocal promise to revoke on day 1 and then immediately call another GE.

If they win then happy days. Revoke and they rescue their ConDem-era reputation hit
If they don't they'll still get more votes than on a normal campaign

Worked so well for them last time.

They were the only major remain party for most of the UK and still tanked.

It really would.

Whilst I can see that the LDs are not showering themselves in glory right now, I'm quite disappointed at the number of people I talk to who say they would never vote LD because of the tuition fee thing. It's hardly as if the other parties have been less heinous. There are other important things at stake right now.

Worked so well for them last time.

They were the only major remain party for most of the UK and still tanked.

My logic was that with 1 issue and then immediately stepping down then the GE becomes a proxy for a revoke referendum without muddying the waters with 'would you actually want LD to lead for 5 years'.

Obviously none of this will happen.
Principally because I don't fancy their changes of explaining the prisoners dilemma to 18 million people and having them all play cooperatively.

Why would the EU grant an extension? I’m afraid I agree with David Allen Green’s assessment, unless May is removed from office in the next ten days, we’re leaving without a deal next Friday.

Why should the EU make a different decision just because May's no longer PM? The Tory party pretenders to the throne are all obsessed by the identity of the PM because they'd like it to be them. For the EU, I suspect it'd be viewed as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.