EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

appease the majority that voted to leave the EU

Have a structured investment policy to improve the lives of people in regions ignored since the Thatcher era.

MPs are already being advised to leave Parliament in taxis etc. and facing death threats online. I think we'd see hardcore leaver "terrorism" if we revoke and especially if it's not clearly set out what we're going to do next. They are a fragile, temporamental bunch

Yes. But it requires a plan for a total restructuring of the economy and an understanding of what that entails and the foundations required otherwise it ends up being a futile effort to prop up something that is fundamentally fallacious, broken and imploding.

You're going to have to 'appease' one side or the other; from a purely practical point of view why not try to appease the smaller, and shrinking, side. You could even try to help them out a bit, because you'd have more resources and economic strength to do so.

1. Blue passports.
   

Effective glitter for sure!

How would we then appease the majority that voted to leave the EU. Presumably we'd have to?

Extra series of Celebrity Love Island funded by the government, free "Englund" flags handed out at petrol stations, blue passport covers issued when you book a ticket to Spain on Easyjet.

Yep,
but as the flatearth brexiteurs keep pointing out, we are the 5th/6th largest economy.
Clean up our offshore banking/investment/ownership laws,
offer an amnesty for assets coming back into the UK economy,
and we'll have an unexpected £15/20/30? billion to invest in a true Northern Powerhouse.
Financial transaction tax, a sovereign wealth fund, that owns the UK's infrastructure,
it's all do-able.

Can I ask why you think this? What happens if there is no such appeasement? Pitchforks?

Presumably discontent with the status quo continues to fester until it bubbles over again. I guess I'm glass half full but I can't see things getting better by telling a whole bunch of people to get back in their box. I do think leave / remain EU was the wrong question to ask, but I can't go back in time.

Because this is 1 million in less than 24 hours, with no referendum buildup or infrastructure.

I can't get excited about that. Personally. It's space year 2019 and I can petition vote from my sofa to a question I don't need to even think about in five minutes. If anything, we should want the numbers to be 10X bigger.

It is also demonstrates the utter absence of a groundswell viral petition for no-deal or TMWA.

I'm, again, a bit glass half full in that. The leave 'side' is a spectrum and you can't pin down what they want, apart from 'change', so it's hard to petitionise it. And there's the result of the referendum - why would someone who believes that leave is a good idea waste their time (and, more importantly, credibility) trying to viralise petition? For remain it's zero-risk, for leave there's huge potential for an own goal.

MPs are already being advised to leave Parliament in taxis etc. ....

I have no doubt that leaving with no-deal and all of the implications thereof would lead to more deaths of UK citizens than any backlash leaver terrorism would.

Interruption of medical supplies would be sufficient, before any consideration of food shortage effects on a nation that already has a disgusting reliance on food banks. Economic impacts on the ability of all sectors of society to heat their homes next winter is another lethal vector. I'm sure we can think of more.

Appeasing fascists and racists never works well

Because the system is currently controlled by elitist capitalists that despise humanity with fiscal policy and administration of the system is designed to protect their interests. The economic strength has existed, so there is an inherent problem with gov't and who controls it.

Brexit weakens economic strength in any scenario and the two core problems remain

1. a dysfunctional system of gov't controlled by a shadowy elite that serves their interests and marginalises by region and social strata
   
2. a massively imbalanced economic structure that has created an incredibly fragile position in terms of national security (non-militaristic) and sustainability (financially, economic activity, exportable value)
   

The marketing campaign for that game has been very cynical and irresponsible.

Of course, I agree. People underestimate the link between economics and preventable deaths. Leaver terrorism would be a drop in the ocean by comparison.

Still it's a consequence of revocation. No one wants to see the military on the streets or whatever

I don't understand why this is any harder than appeasing the remain and non voters after pulling a no deal. Explain why it turned out to be a terrible idea. Show some leadership

Doing that carries the risk of ultimately destroying or critically undermining democracy in the UK. The other doesn't. Not so much, anyway, or at least, not so directly attributable. If the buck stops with you, what would you do?

Looking increasingly likely that the EU will not grant a long extension under any circumstances should the WA fail again, or even if it is passed under the proviso of a confirmation vote / people vote amendment.

Do seem to be getting down to the no deal / revoke end of the options matrix...don't think that is ideal. Will the EU look sympathetically on us revoking, holding a 2nd ref and then possibly re-invoking based on that? Seems like a long extension would be a better bet...

Sovereign wealth fund and a re-appropriation of national infrastructure from private ownership is good. As is a planned approach to a rebalancing of the economy and again, taking back control of ownership of commercial activity to prevent this polarisation of wealth, marginalisation of people, and perpetuating a lie that competition increaases efficiency (it is a massively wasteful use of resource replicating effort).

Rebuilding the secondary sector is essential as is reversing the reliance on imports for strategically vital constituents of an economy and basic security needs. Foundations are required which are skill, education based so it requires decades long plan, but there are ways to shortcut everything now and implement way faster than history would suggest.

The number that didn't vote Leave is 44 million.

• Caitlin Moran
  

decades long plan

It has taken us 40 years, ('79-'19), to get 'here', including almost 10 years of 'austerity'.
10-15 years to re-balance the economy should be possible for an energised, committed program supported across the political spectrum, (I realise this would mean running the ERG out of town).
I would start by cancelling HS2 and start HS3, Liverpool to Hull.
Cancel CrossRail2 and boost public transport in West and East Midlands.

Yeah it's maddening isn't it?

But looking at the people who did vote, more apparently voted for leave than remain. If that's not the case, WTFIGO.

I'd keep HS2, start HS3, keep CrossRail2 and do the PT uplift WE Midlands.
WHY NOT?

I think Limmy has hit the nail on the head, with personal experience of indyref.

We're going. It's not great. It just is.

do the PT ?

The south east doesn't need any more (unbalanced) infrastructure investment.
We need to sacrifice current proposals so the rest of the UK sees the 'new regime' are serious.

Maybe. His personal experience comes from the result coming down in the expected direction (or at least the status quo - to remain in the UK).

This one didn't. I don't think the govt would have left the indey ref vote alone had it gone the other way, so his 'experience' would have been markedly different.