EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

The difficulty is that she immediately prejudged what she felt to be the "red lines" - which you also quote (control of laws + borders etc) but it wasn't clear that was what all leave voters want.

As an illustration - if you wanted to vote to leave but have a Norway arrangement, how would you vote? You'd vote out, of course. So it must be the case that the leave vote is a coalition of these different views.

That being the case, she should have started by preaching caution; saying that we can't prejudge where we should get to without more discussion; and seeking cross party consensus.

She did the opposite. She said that the vote had to be interpreted one way only, and then refused to seek opposition buy-in, even after she lost her majority. So many of the issues stem from this approach.

How about after 3 years we finally know what is going to happen. Let's vote on it?

Absolutely!

do you think she honestly believed those red lines reflected the referendum result or was she appeasing the dealth cult brexitiers in her party?

Thatcher spent years willfully fucking over vast swathes of the country, May has spent fewer years fucking up, which will fuck over vast swathes of the country, I doubt she'll be as hated, but will be thought of as much more incompetent.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1108440173577203713

That is the root of her problem.
She stumbled into the Tory leadership and disdained any cooperation with anyone who did not share the 'Hard Brexit' defined by her Lancaster House speech.

dealth cult brexitier

flatearth brexiteurs, please.

Just imagine if she'd won instead of Corbyn.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

it really is disgraceful that this referendum was ever allowed to happen. next someone will suggest a referendum on capital punishment to appease some loons in their party and whoops, we'll have to start executing people again.

That petition is going to hit a quarter of a million signatures in about ten minutes time. Over half of those have come since TM's speech.

Well, Liz Kendall did vote in favour of having a referendum so it might have been fun to see her trying to sort out the result of it.

I'm imagining that right now.

i'm slightly skeptical that even given the opportunity of open dialogue in parliament as to what shape brexit should take this would have yielded results. the opposition party still don't seem to have the faintest clue as to how to move things forward beyond trying to engineer a general election

I still don't think we're going to get no deal. I'm clinging to the idea that TM will force her deal through but it'll be amended with something.

Fucking clusterfuck this whole thing is. A blizzard of shit. Piss tornado. etc.

Edit: also agree with ↓ that Corbyn has been criminally useless. He has achieved nothing.

Considering it is MP’s who will vote on TM’s deal for the 3rd time, I really cannot fathom what she was trying to get from her ‘us vs. them’ speech or how she thought it will do anything but backfire.

Also have to hand it to Corbyn for being so pathetically useless against the worst sitting government that I am aware of. How the opposition are not running circles around TM at present is beyond me.

a reminder as to whose piss we are currently swimming around in
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/what-is-brexit-why-is-there-an-eu-referendum-a7042791.html

I really hope this mess is rightly remembered as part of David Cameron’s stain of a legacy.

no idea who he is but "dear louise" in mega letters scrawl across width of page suggests to me some sort of personality disorder

Stating the fucking obvious suggests the same

“haunted Victorian pencil"

I'm having that...

do you think she honestly believed those red lines reflected the referendum result or was she appeasing the dealth cult brexitiers in her party?

Yes.