EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

https://twitter.com/PaulJSweeney/status/1108354162138509312

It looks like this is being taken out of the Prime Minister's hands. Emanuel Macron of France has said enough is enough, he will oppose any extension of Article 50 in Council tomorrow

Yep posted that. A crappy situation and not unexpected as you never get 100% registration rates.

There is a new charity in the works to help reach out to people to register, the UK government atm isn't doing a whole lot. They have known about my existence for 16 years now, have all my tax info and my phone number, but not a peep.

So imagine the situation for older people with no internet that don't get the facebook news/don't see billboards/kids/people that are in denial etc...

She has pretty much done exactly what the far right of the party wants, from the red lines to still allowing a no-deal brexit as a possibility .

At least with someone like JRM or Boris at the head of the party, there would have been an organised resistance, but May has subverted that because she was meant to be the resistance to these nutters.

maybe a repost

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frances-europe-minister-nathalie-loiseau-has-called-her-cat-brexit-a4094781.html

Corbyn's strategy is definitely to eventually force Theresa May to revoke Article 50,

What are you basing this on Oliver? Sounds awfully like wishful thinking, as I can't think of a single thing that supports it, and much that contradicts it.

Corbyn's strategy is definitely to eventually force Theresa May to revoke Article 50,

I can see a lot of people trying to steer this - very little from Corbyn has indicated that he is amongst them. If (when?) she does it, I don't think he'll be able to take much credit for it.

I agree with this Oliver, it seems like Corbyn is tactically saying very little and its easy for people to interpret this how they want. I can see how you and @Dammit can see the same things happen and interpret them differently.
Its very frustrating though!

The general consensus of nearly everyone is that he is an euroskeptic that is happy enough with some form of leave.

Either way, he has to implement the will of the Labour member people...who are nearly all Remain.

We're back to no-deal on the 29th, I think - Macron is going to deny an extension unless it includes a commitment to a referendum or GE.

I saw that as well. What worries me is that both Tories and Labour would prefer GE, but I can't imagine either Tories fighting on a remain platform... Hard to see labour doing so either, and labour are also chronically unpopular (lagging behind Tories even now).

So we get another Tory govt who claim the election result as a confirmation of the ref result.

Maybe someone’s covered it, but humour me because I’m still so confused about this.

Parliament voted against ‘No deal’ right? So why is the choice still ‘Mays Deal’ or ‘No Deal’? What was the point of that vote if it wasn’t to remove ‘No Deal’ from the table?

Why is it not now Mays Deal, extension or Revoke Article 50?

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Because all they voted on was their view on the spectre of no deal. They were not voting on a change of legislation.

Macron's gonna block the shot at the rim!

In law no deal is still the default position at the 29 March, Parliament have voted to say that they don't want to leave without a deal, but they still need to change the law.

Because while the vote suggested parliament does not want no deal, it still did not indicate what other option it did want.

If parliament had supported no deal, that probably would have been that, May would have given up on her deal and we'd crash out at the end of the month.

But parliament did not support no deal, so it is not being actively pursued*, other than it remains the default.

The motion approved did not say " if we get to the end of march and we still haven't agreed what to do then revoke article 50", which is what would have been required to "rule out no deal" properly. If it had said that, it wouldn't have passed.

*Seem's to me May is purposely keeping it well in play to try and get people round to her deal.

touchdown!

I doubt it's only Macron who's going to be telling us to shove it.

Yes, but he makes a great neo-liberal centrist Soros puppet hate figure doesn't he? He's like a sauvignon drenched Blair.

Why the fuck does Corbyn think a 3 month extension is “appropriate”?

It’s clear that longer is needed for the hard of thinking to understand Brexit in any form is not as good as remaining.

Downing Street announcement coming?

Parliament voted against ‘No deal’ right? So why is the choice still ‘Mays Deal’ or ‘No Deal’? What was the point of that vote if it wasn’t to remove ‘No Deal’ from the table?

The only way Parliament had the power to actually stop No Deal last week was to accept May's deal, which is a deal the EU have agreed to. Having rejected May's deal, voting to reject "No Deal" is simply a declaration of intent. Parliament has no power to make the EU accept any alternative plan. Without the EU's agreement to an extension, a No Deal exit will happen automatically.

Parliament and the government are sitting in a rudderless, oarless boat, being carried towards Niagara Falls. May did find some oars but nobody liked them so they were thrown overboard. Parliament then voted against "No oars". The speaker has ruled against anybody fishing the oars out again. The EU is standing on one bank with some oars but won't give them to us, unless Parliament and the government can prove they are prepared to row together in the same direction. The only thing voting against "No oars" has achieved is that Parliament can shout "This was your fault!" at the government as we all go over the edge.

Thanks all re No Deal. So it was more a gauging of opinion than a vote, seeing as if they’d have voted yes they could very well have their No Deal and if they voted No, they could also have No Deal because the vote wouldn’t actually change the law.

This is all batshit crazy right?!

I’m interested to see how Brexit affects apathy toward politics, because I am very much fatigued by all this bullshit.

Haha, lovely analogy!

I’m interested to see how Brexit affects apathy toward politics, because I am very much fatigued by all this bullshit.

There'll no time for apathy if No Deal happens.

So, EU says no short extension unless MPs approve deal