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I had this link ready to post, I know people had already been calling the guy a twat in here but watching this really just backs it up. He's just fucking awful, and apparently also a barrister when he seems under qualified to be a barrista.
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Not Jones, he's alright, Tim fucking spoony cunt.
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I had this link ready to post, I know people had already been calling the guy a twat in here
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but watching this really just backs it up.
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He's just fucking awful,
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and apparently also a barrister
Jones? Really? Didn't know that.
when he seems under qualified to be a barrista.
Bit harsh, he used to be OK I guess.
Not Jones, he's alright, Tim fucking spoony cunt.
Oh
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He studied law at the University of Nottingham, and qualified as a barrister in 1979, but never practised law.
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This article doesn't address what I've heard as the main charge in relation to this, that Corbyn didn't campaign hard enough for 'remain':
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the main charge in relation to this, that Corbyn didn't campaign hard enough for 'remain'
From our perspective as the metropolitan Labour supporters Corbyn's performance has been deeply disappointing. This is a political judgement not necessarily laying the blame on him. His electorate and those around it are the strongest Remain block in the country.
Reportedly a majority of Labour voters, a majority of Labour MPs, a majority of Labour party members and critically a majority of Momentum members support a second referendum.I think the Labour leadership have made some tactical errors. In particular they should never have supported the triggerring of Article 50 when it was clear that the Tories couldn't agree amongst themselves on what to ask the EU for. The Tory cabinet was in a state of civil war and Labour let them off the hook.
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But let’s make sure that blame falls where blame is due.
I can't see a way out of this Brexit mess.
It is time for an act of atonement.
I would like to see David Cameron, naked, in College Green, perform an act of ritual suicide with a Windmühlenmesser carving knife.
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Jones doesn’t go down well with the Centrist Dad crowd.
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tactical errors. In particular they should never have supported the triggerring of Article 50
Really? Do you remember what it was like? The build up of pressure over the inaction?
Triggering Article 50 was pure political pragmatism over the country's interest - Politicians needed to look like they were doing something.
But I don't see how Labour could have ever opposed it on a political level. They needed it as much as the Tories.
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They could have said "We vote for it, once we see the plan. It is the lack of a plan that bothers us, not article50 itself".
Especially with May's rather unhelpful sounds about human rights, and all that...pointing out the Tories are not to be trusted and should be held accountable with a plan could have worked.
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I think the Labour leadership have made some tactical errors. In particular they should never have supported the triggerring of Article 50 when it was clear that the Tories couldn't agree amongst themselves on what to ask the EU for. The Tory cabinet was in a state of civil war and Labour let them off the hook.
No, I think that was good strategy--usually superior to a tactical approach. :)
I think May's intention with the early invocation of A50 was to call Labour's bluff and create a clear difference between the parties that she then could have exploited in a general election. This is something Corbyn has never allowed her to do. Instead, it was Labour that set the agenda in 2017 with its manifesto, albeit too damaged by its own civil war to win the election.
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But if Labour had won the election would they have managed a more acceptable brexit negotiation and would we now be closer to leaving the EU. Or would they have managed a similar clusterfuck to leave us in a similar limbo position?
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I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea what Labour might have done had they won the election. It certainly would have been a difficult situation for them.
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Some light relief, not hugely funny, but some good moments:
“Then I would telephone President Macron and ask him to make a speech saying that De Gaulle had been right all along: the British are not to be trusted and should not have been admitted to Europe; that the French have been planning for years for us to depart and are delighted that they and the Germans will now be free to run things the way they want.
“With luck, this would so provoke the people that they would rise en masse and demand another referendum to stop the French from once more getting the better of us.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/22/brexit-sir-humphrey-appleby-yes-minister
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Another group of people for whom 'Brexit' causes problems:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/25/european-baccalaureate-europa-school-oxfordshire-uk
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I think he's not doing what he's best at. He rose to prominence because he held his own in fairly adversarial settings on TV--several people all arguing against him--, where he showed that he can be quick in thinking on his feet and sustaining a good argument against hostile opposition. I somehow wish he did more of that again (although he may well be fed up with that sort of thing and glad he doesn't have to do them any more). I don't think his columns or videos (where he has editorial control) are generally very good (with honourable exceptions). They tend to be too one-sided, often too simplistic, and not very insightful.