EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

She's also pro fox hunting

Well, I guess we are allowed opinions

and once hacked into Harriet Harman's website (a criminal offence), then admitted to it in an interview

That's just fucking stupid though. And yeah, a crime.

Her greatest of misdemeanour must however be using 'pls' on her Twitter bio.

Conservative HQ told The Mail on Sunday that Badenoch’s actions were a case of “youthful exuberance” and were more a case of guessing their password than actual hacking.

Do they even fucking dictionary attack?

Who are these dolts?

Apparently TMay's plan B is to bring back plan A and try again. She really does completely lack any imagination or lateral thinking skills. Extraordinary.

I've spent the last six months being told by Corbyn fans that I don't care about people dying as a result of austerity because I think a PV is more important, timing wise, than a GE right now.

I didn't leave Labour, Labour left me.

“We’re not as bad as this shit shower of incompetents” is hardly an inspiring campaign slogan is it?

It's, unfortunately, not a particularly new one though, either.

I'll be back in London if there is a new GE (thank christ. You were nothing but dead-fucking-right, Andy). I'll spoil (what I did last time in Waltham Forest) or vote Labour.

I'm not at all confident that Labour would win a GE right now. God know's why they'd want to win in any case at the minute.

And if the Tories did win, it would be spun as support for their Brexit, whatever that ends up being at the time. At "People's Vote" is unambiguously about Brexit.

Also, I don't think Labour will win a no confidence vote, unless there has been some pretty secret deal-making going on.

"try the red pill you might like it"

I don't think Labour would win either but I'm not going to take a shit in my own bed by defecting to another party and giving the Tories a large majority.

I don't think Labour would win either but I'm not going to take a shit in my own bed by defecting to another party and giving the Tories a large majority.

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"that one vote is not going to make a difference"

Um.

Did she just say that on TV?

Not quite.

"If what we're hearing is true and there are hundreds and hundreds of people voting against it then that one vote is not really going to make a difference."

I think her point was that the Government being defeated 421 v 198 is not going to make much of a difference than if it was 420 v 198. Not that her specific vote is not worth anything.

As others have pointed out, the voting in the four amendments being voted on before the main Brexit vote are a slightly trickier beast to try and handle via pairing (assuming you're back to trusting the Tories to do that properly).

Parliament needs to sort out Proxy voting (and the limits of who can use it) as soon as possible.

I think her point was that the Government being defeated 421 v 198 is not going to make much of a difference than if it was 420 v 198.

That's definitely how I interpreted that sentence too, with what we know about the predicted outcome of this vote, she's most likely correct. Not that that would be a reason not to let someone vote of course.

Her point is, in that delaying her caesarean, Tulip is pulling a stunt.

The only way she seems to be able to make that point, is by creating some hypothetical future scenario in which Tulip is shown to have wasted her time.

It's shitty, because it's mean, and because it's bullshit, because we don't know the future, and we seem to be surprised by voting outcomes. Trump and Brexit anyone?

Well... I don't think it's fair to compare that. Trump and Brexit wasn't about a vote by 650 people with relatively well-known views (and even then, the more reputable polls weren't that far off, people just weren't taking the numbers seriously). It's hard to factually disagree with what Badenoch said regarding the vote outcome. Any future scenario is 'hypothetical', but in this case that outcome is very likely - currently the betting odds on the Commons rejecting the deal are 1/100.

I don't know, out of all the vile shit the Tories say day in day out, I'm not sure this is the most egregious example.

Oh ok then

Well I mean, she wasn't going to go "yeah we're untrustworthy and unreliable", right? Honestly that whole 'discussion' segment on the BBC was stupid anyway - clearly proxy voting is something that is needed, and that's pretty much that problem solved! The rest is Siddiq's private choice to make and inviting people to comment on it in that weird confrontational setting is a bit presumptuous anyway.

It's more about making the point that the Tories can't be trusted with pairing agreements.

It's more about making the point that the Tories can't be trusted

Indeed.

I know Kemi. She is the wife of someone I went to university with.

He, at least, is horribly right wing. I have no reason to think she is any different.

Also worth bearing in mind how wet behind the ears she is. I am not 100% sure how the young, black, female Tory MP got given such a comparativly senior job in her first year in parliament...

Tough crowd. May is really trying to make this a historic moment, but it's really just more of the same.

I can't think...

But being wet behind the ears is no excuse for such a heinous lapse in basic decency. It shows a pretty fundamental lack of judgement.

For me this isn't about the fact the Tories can't be trusted as such: although this is certainly a case where they can't. It's about the shameful fact that in the 21st century a female politician has to change the day she's chosen to give birth because her workplace is so desperately in need of reform that's it's not possible for her absence to be covered. Then she gets accused of pulling a stunt.

It's shameful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46880187

Brexit: Passionate protests outside Parliament

Some interesting comments I think from people coming from other various groups, Labour, UKIP , EU nationals that couldn't vote.

Mr Grostate, who lives in Ramsgate, has booked himself into a London hotel for four days to protest outside Parliament. [fair enough]

"I am willing to die for the vote.

Potential embarassing moment if he googles himself if Brexit really doesn't go ahead :)

Yeah of course it is, and they definitely can't be trusted - but again, what would you expect a Tory to say to that. She's hardly going to admit to that on live TV, so the entire exercise is just pointless - especially if the BBC then doesn't have the balls to confront her with that directly and not let her get away with some vague "clearly she's trying to make a point".

Ha big one to start with