EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

the public now have realised that Brexit is Hell and we're all better off Remaining.

No they really haven't. 41% support for no deal vs remaining at 46% I think. A very large chunk of the public are full steam ahead on this.

Although...

https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_mccabe/status/1083452569253490689

I think, if there is a vote on the WA Vs remain, it needs to be made crystal clear the WA is not a deal. And it needs another 2 or more years of negotiation, and eating up valuable time from the UK's institutions.

The NHS is suffering, there are food banks, universal credit is a mess, affordable housing is lacking. Do we want more time spent on the WA OR remain and ask the EU for funds that can help the UK?

The EU would have helped with the floods cleanup, but the UK government simply didn't ask for money... Perhaps more pots are left untouched.

Good point, though it doesn't increase one's faith in the public, does it... :S

it needs to be made crystal clear the WA is not a deal.

A very very good point.

So the choice right now is:

No Deal.

or

No deal with a deferred leaving date.

or

No Brexit.

Woah woahvwoah .

The Midas touch wasn't exactly great.
That was the point

He starved, didn’t he?

No, he had a fight with Bond in an executive jet. He got sucked out a window after a gunshot caused an explosive decompression.

#chooseyourownmythology

I'm enjoying the analysis here from people who seem to have more a handle on things than me. On the other hand, this just made me chuckle.

There's a gathering outside Parliament on Tuesday afternoon organised by the People's Vote. Anyone going?

That was Croesus.

Easy mistake to make

Bango

A very large chunk of the public are full steam ahead on this.

I'm not disputing that fact.
But I'm sure no-one could have predicted such a turn.
The fact that Remain now prevails is significant.
Since we're currently very much stuck at the bottom of a deep rut, I'm hoping a 2nd ref will become a reality and save us all.

Look I really really hope so, I am not at all saying there's any merit in pretty much any of the brexit positions, and of course definitely not in the 'no-deal if we must' stance. And I agree the whole situation is stuck.

But I am a bit concerned about how much support the whole idea of brexit still has despite everything that has happened, and I wouldn't put it past some new reincarnation of Vote Leave to drum up a surprising amount of support in case of a second ref. I'm not entirely sure it would be that much of a help in getting out of the rut...

^ I agree, the echo chamber of social media would have you believe it's a foregone Remain conclusion in a 2nd referendum. But there are still massive amounts of people in this country too pig headed to even care and who want to stick it to the media/elite/unelected whatsits blah blah blah

I think its quite telling that Nige has been travelling the country whipping up the troops. He might be the lowest form of life in this country but he can clearly see whats coming and hes totally ready to frame the conversation along the lines of 'Brexit is being stolen from you. take to the streets, punch a foreigner'

Especially when in reality its more like a donations funding drive to steal money from the poor. Got to admire him. (I dont, I really dont) hes made coming from a privileged background yet somehow convinced the working man hes one of them a work of art.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/12/were-reactivating-the-peoples-army-inside-the-battle-for-a-hard-brexit

A second referendum is not going to fix this problem. The people who voted out still want out. Those that are still alive anyway.
It will be bitter and horrible.

I don't know how a general election would be better but if a new govt came in and said "no mas!" after campaigning they would stop the brexit that would have more legitimacy right? And then happiness and peace right?

I'm not a fan of a second ref, to much chance that vote leave would win again, incomprehensibly. it's like a religion to these people now and no amount of explaining why they'll be worse off will make any difference.

Right now, I'd settle for leaving in all but name, FOM, single market, customs union etc. Leavers would hate it, but we'd still be able to shrug and say you got what you wanted, stop moaning.

And what would the entry ticket be ?

I don't agree that all who voted Leave then would do it again were they to get another chance.

Part of TMs speech due to be given today:

When the people of Wales voted by a margin of 0.3%, on a turnout of just over 50%, to endorse the creation of the Welsh Assembly, that result was accepted by both sides and the popular legitimacy of that institution has never seriously been questioned.

I guess she's not going to mention the fact that she voted against accepting the result and the Tory party themselves proposed a second referendum as part of their election manifesto, stating it was a bad deal for the country, no matter what the result was...

Not really a good comparison... she wanted to turn an ADVISORY referendum into a binding one. Without involving parliament.

If that Wales referendum was binding with no turnout or other rules, IMHO it's badly set up, but nobody broke or bent any rules.

That’s not the point. She’s going to argue today that we respected this referendum even though it was very close, so we should do the same for the EU referendum. However, she, and many of the leading Brexiteers, consistently argued against implementing the devolved assembly in Wales and voted against, this defying the will of the people.

She’s a hypocrite and a liar, which is hardly news.

Or just spouting whatever random clutch of arguments her spin doctors and speechwriters channel trough her? Having gone full May-bot with no independent capacity to think she might simply have forgotten what her stance on the Welsh devolution was.

Really feels like barrel scraping in terms of trying to find new ways to plead for the agreement to be passed.