EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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Just needs to be roasted and it's perfect 😂

'The man' in this case is a twat, obviously trying to troll for amusement.

And not even trolling that well. Good trolling is an art form, requiring intelligence, panache and wit. Posting about how great Trump is and using the term 'Remoaners', repeatedly, is not a sign of intelligence, panache or wit. It's just being a cunt.

And for all the 'echo chamber' white knights out there, I'm invariably delighted by the prospect of intelligent debate. Having to deal with cowardly illiterate trolling fucktards like @user9122 doesn't count as debate, and there's certainly nothing intelligent about it. Neither the decision to engage with trolling cretins or the vacuous quasi-opinions they spout.

There are an increasing number of newish accounts that pretty much only post in this thread.

Or the Trump one. Within minutes. ^^

We see you

I don't see the automatic link between "we make immigration hard" and "better wages".

It depends on the sector. It does seem highly likely that both reducing the supply of cheaper competition, and total supply in general would increase the cost of the service.

I was very struck though in that blog posted a few pages back that pointed out in the past employers would have done more training themselves. No idea on the facts to back that up, but it does feel accurate.

@user91922 The aminosity is directed at you not because of your opinions but because you trolled the thread using an anonymous account. You know that.

You might want to go read your first set of posts.

Then come back and let us know whether you think it was the manner or the substance that put people's backs up.

The aminosity is directed at you not because of your opinions but because you trolled the thread using an anonymous account.

It has been quite acidic, though.

Given that same party initiated the referendum in the first place merely to diffuse a problem with their own members defecting to UKIP, they deserve every inch of that stick.

My understanding is that you can’t just join the wto, that needs to be negotiated too with 160 plus other countries. I’m sure that will really simple and they’ll give us everything we want.

https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-simple-about-uk-regaining-wto-status-post-brexit

We can trade on WTO terms from the 29th- but until the schedules are negotiated (which may take years), which they have to be due to the protests of NZ etc, signing trade deals is going to be extremely unlikely- trading partners will want to know current access vs that granted by an FTA, and we ourselves won’t know that until the negotiations are over. NZ will want the U.K. to equal the EU quota for lamb, for e.g. as they’ll claim that to do otherwise amounts to a loss. Despite our free trade rhetoric we have gone with a fairly protectionist WTO stance- and that won’t (hasn’t) survived first contact with the rest of the world.

I'm invariably delighted by the prospect of intelligent debate.

Well, it doesn't look like it to me. You could just be a grown up and ignore anyone you think is trolling. Isn't that the first to rule of the internet.

Talk now of more kicking the can down the road... Which benefits no one in the end, regardless of position.

We lobbied to EU to give NZ such a good lamb quota and blocked any attempt to reduce it. Id be more worried about the Franco-German republic reducing that quota than the UK not opening up the markets to a commonwealth friend who fed us during ww2

That was then, this is now. We’ve split out part of the overall EU quota for NZ Lamb and tried to adopt it by fiat (rectification), NZ has complained. We’ll now go to negotiation where NZ will push for us to lift our quota for their lamb. This is happening currently- and means that there is zero chance of the U.K. tarrif schedules being agreed for exit day (potentially for years).

It has been quite acidic, though.

Yeah. This forum has always been a bit spicy that regard. An anonymous poster would need to have hit a home run to get a positive response in one of the more political threads.

It's like conversation between acquaintances at a bar, and some stranger who turns out not be a stranger but someone you apparently know wearing a mask, leans in and whispers 'remoaners'. I'm not sure I'd have the patience to give that person the time of day.

£15 tho.

I think they intended to defuse it, though diffuse is the right way to describe the actual effect.

An anonymous poster would need to have hit a home run to get a positive response in one of the more political threads.

The pub mates analogy works well here too.

As a stranger, you don't turn up to a pub, plonk yourself at a table full of people that are friends(ish) with each other, and proceed to mouth off.

And then whine that they're not civil....

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I literally read the first paragraph of your post without even looking at the second.

I'm like the annoying pissed bloke that just repeats the same thing you just said, passing it off as my own wisdom.

Make my next one a double, eh.

tone policing. you know who you are.

I'm genuinely not intending to troll, I'm just getting as full a picture of both sides as possible.

whilst calling people remoaners and getting on your gammony soap box. I've realised the futility of dealing with people like you; one guy on twitter started on about democracy, will of the people-when challenged over dark money, Arron Banks' gold mines, kompromat undermining democracy and skewing the result he says "of course that shouldn't happen, but it's no reason to overturn the result". I said it's not credible to hold that position and he starts accusing me of being the 'opposite image of Farage' as if he was some rational centre figure. You seem to think this way too.

You're not a rational, objective entity. You're a biased, pot stirring, myopic cunt and I have no idea what it will take for you thick fucks to see the epic clusterfuck you're releasing into the world through your bigoted, fact-less mantras.

GAMMON

All you other hand-wringers, what do you think you're appeasing by showing such civility to what is the most uncivil of movements in our society since Enoch Powell?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-eu-are-replaying-historical-debates-1533155913

I genuinely want to understand the other side rather than just keep muttering Gammony Cunt under my breath when I encounter them.

The problem is I find their arguments lacking in substance. “But we can stockpile insulin” - for how long? It’s going to take years to sort out trade agreements and a three month supply is not going to be sufficient.

Brussels inefficiency- but our Brexit civil service is bigger than the EU staff.

Blue passports - put a fucking case on your passport

Sovereignty - bullshit - whatever we do will be conditional to some set of agreements unless we want to become some closed off state like feudal Japan.

I would love to see some kind of logical convincing rationale for Brexit apart from to make the richest 1% richer.