EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Schadenfreude?

Let's hope so. But at what rate do people turn from liberal into conservative?

I think that’s becoming less prevalent than before. The young are saddled with debt from the university and have little hope of being home owners until their 30s/40s. There less well off than the baby boomers were at the same stage in life. Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm surprised to see you in this thread. I would have thought Belkar a 100% rock-solid 'Kipper.

regarding a 2nd ref. there will be some people who voted remain, but who think we should stick by the result of the original ref and so would swap to leave.

One advantage of making it a "ref on the final deal" is that a leave voter can be swayed by arguing that this isn't the leave they voted for, so voting remain doesn't make their previous vote wrong.

I suspect the reluctance of the TMay cabinet to put the Final Deal to a vote of the population is that it would not be a binary option, as for the rabid brexitters any cooperation with the EU27 will be traitorous.
With less than a 4% margin to defend, the Outers cannot afford to split their vote, with the electorate being topped up with 18 year olds who have something real & tangible to lose, (freedom of movement), as opposed to blue passports & sovrinty.

There will be no deal to have a second referendum on until long after we are out of the EU.

1. Exit (doing this now)
   
2. Transition (and this)
   
3. Trade - will not even really be started until we’ve left.
   

The Cabinet can’t agree on a deal between themselves, so they’ve nothing to put to the country.

TMay's unilateral declaration of leaving the Single Market & Custome Union and refusing to be bound by ECJ judgements doesn't leave much to discuss, except how much to pay for access to the Single Market. Except the brextards don't want to pay anything to the EU27 budget, and require the EU27 to set up an additional final Court of Arbitration that is not the ECJ.

I heard this week, almost certain it was Davis, on being asked about being a member of the Customs Union, or not, blithely claiming the possibility of a 'third way'.
He of course, did not deign to explain his '3rd way'.

3rd way means 3rd way

How are they going to do that and avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland?

(I'll give you a clue, they can't).

Catchy, if reminiscent of something.

Can't quite place it... :)

Thanks, but it's not me that needs a clue, it is Rees-Mogg and the other woodenheads of the Tories ERC, who should have been thrown out of the party by John Major in 1994.

I appreciate that, it was a generic 'you'.

The point is that May unilaterally drew these red lines without understanding what doing so would actually entail. The whole Tory party remains in some weird delusional state where they seem to think that they can have something that they've already committed to not having.

have something that you've already committed to not having

Fixed, for the next Cakeist campaign slogan. Possibly (not) appearing on a billboard or bus near you soon(er or later)

I don't remember seeing this here;

http://www.open-britain.co.uk/one_year_on_from_lancaster_house_an_assessment_of_theresa_may_s_12_priorities

The House of Lords Consitution Committee is not happy with the EU withdrawal bill

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201719/ldselect/ldconst/69/6902.htm

Tomorrow Mail headline:

UNELECTED ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY.

Ken Clarke was on the radio over the weekend and basically said that there are pro-EU Tory MPs who won’t go public as they fear the reaction of the right wing press.

What a time to be alive.

I'm no governance expert, but touting confidential Brexit linked information seems an irregular activity for former govt ministers:

Lord Lansley, who served as health secretary under David Cameron, was filmed being offered tens of thousands of pounds. He also said the deal could be kept secret from authorities if he was employed through his wife's company, Low Europe.

Peter Lilley, who was the Tory party's deputy leader between 1998 and 1999, also expressed interest in approaching key ministers for Tianfen.

The MP Andrew Mitchell was willing to give paid advice to the company for £6,000 a day and said he would work up to 10 weeks a year. The Times reported he already gets paid nearly £75,000 for his job as an MP. "My constituents don't mind what I'm paid," he said while being filmed.

Lansley said he was already making €5,000 a day (around £4384) by giving Brexit advice to his pharmaceutical clients. He spoke about his connections at the top of government, such as Prime Minister Theresa May and Liam Fox, Secretary of State for International Trade.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/cabinet-ministers-caught-selling-brexit-information-to-chinese-company-2018-1?r=US&IR=T

Swivel eyed loons appear to be upset at being called Swivel eyed loons. Can't take the bantz.

Snowflakes