EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Weren’t the mail on Sunday pro remain

Yes - it was odd how different they were. But I believe the reason is because the Sunday editor hates the daily editor; so at least the Mail maintains its pettiness across the two editions.

And Mail Online is different to Mail on Sunday and Daily Mail.

Mail Online is pro Brexit.

Both under Paul Dacre though.

There's not much difference between the DM and MailOnline - they're both edited by Paul Dacre. They're separate so that the DM can claim the moral high ground without appearing to be hypocritical while MailOnline does sex'n'tits'n'arses. MoS is edited by Geordie Greig, and as mentioned above, he and 'double-cunting' Dacre do not get along. At all.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/

A nice read on the Ireland border issue and the political manoeuvring around it. Either way the UK team better get a move on :(

Listened to Owen Patterson on R4 in the car this arvo, they're insistent that Brexit doesn't mean controlling our borders, it means leaving them open - it's going to be the EU/Ireland that close them and it will be ALL THEIR FAULT.

Kate Hoey " ROI will have to pay for the wall border"

Where do these fucking clowns get their batshit crazy ideas from?

The U.K. government chose to leave the single market and the customs union, it’s there issue to resolve. We are governed by village fucking idiots.

I'm still at a loss to see what the backers of Brexit gain.
I can see that they made some money from the drop in Sterling immediately after the referendum result, and from the flurry of take-overs that followed, (ARM being the most obvious),
but longer term?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/26/british-government-accused-of-being-soft-on-tax-avoidance
is maybe the answer.
While the nefarious activities of Caribbean tax havens could result in a boycott from the EU,
even a post-Brexit City of London is to big to be ostracised, leaving a gateway for offshoring untaxed profits for all the Worlds' shysters.

Its all about deregulation to the tories. Pesky things like human rights and workers rights are enshrined in the EU law, and they don't like those as they stop them from forcing employees to do 50 hour weeks and are a bit sniffy about deportation and torture.

We could probably sell more arms to various despotic regimes without being part of the EU.

I'm still at a loss to see what the backers of Brexit gain.

Deregulation, in the same vein as the current US model.

Starting with a trade agreement that makes NAFTA look like charity, UK agribusiness, manufacturing (lel) and services & finance will be forced to adopt the US race-to-the-bottom model, necessitating a massive loosening of all regulatory frameworks (no more bendy Brussels bananas -yay!), to the complete detriment of consumers and workers, and complete etiolation of the spread of wealth.

^^^ that

Chaos capitalism is maybe one of the reasons: Capitalism already often works on booms and busts, a hard brexit will create a nasty bust and voila, capital assets are there to be had for megacheapz.

Kate Hoey banging on about Ireland paying for the border, then following the UK out of the EU (as they joined when we did).

She's a bit of a mess isn't she - why hasn't she been expelled from the Labour party , I remember reading somewhere her own local council members didn't even want her

I recall that the Lib Dems (!) targeted her seat in the election, but their candidate was a bit lacklustre (as well, of course, as being a Lib Dem i.e. not popular at the moment), and she has been the MP for Vauxhall for so long that she clearly has a strong bedrock of support. In then end she came away with a majority close to 30%.

I always wonder (with a lot of mps) if it's really her who has the support, or the Labour party - a majority like that suggests no appetite for Tories in that neck of the woods.

I guess the Party wouldn't want to risk deselection with such a majority.

I don’t believe she is a popular local MP, she’s just part of the furniture. Her views are way out of step with her constituents, who voted to remain by 77.6%.

I know, she's kind of all over the place, I get the urge to unfollow her twatter account reading about 1 in 10 tweets she does, but... the lady has been very much spot-on about the Russia ties & investigation in the US, and has uhm, sources.

Yeah, Mensch seems to have a balance of outlandish claims that turn out to be bullshit and outlandish claims that turn out to be spot on. Confusing woman.

More evidence she's a Russian plant aiding the misinformation campaign.

Mensch is a serious loon, and just an attention seeker. Definitely not worth following.

That is how I'd describe Katie Hopkins rather than Mensch.

I'd argue you just need to look at her career as a politician - where, in theory, she had the opportunity to do the hard work required to lay the foundations of meaningful and beneficial change - to form a view of her capabilities, motivations, etc.