That Corbyn fella...

No.

Everyone has the right to a defence.

Liberal handwringing is not a finite, consumable resource.

Everyone has the right to a defence.

you have to prove that someone requires defending in order for that to be true.

tell you what tho - this basic bitch tory manufactured fake controversy bollocks works a treat.

Irrespective of what he said, he should know better than to say something like this in the Commons with tv cameras present. The Tory press have been praying for a mistake by Labour so they can all pile in and distract from the clusterfuck that is this Government.

Yet another example of why Corbyn needs to see the bigger picture and resign so Labour can bring the Government down and get elected so they can address the huge inequalities in this country.

He sucks.

or... we need a better, less bootlicky press that doesn't jump on any opportunity to jab a finger in corbyn's face every time a falsifiable morsel of bullshit gets thrown into their collective shitpen.

you have to prove that someone requires defending in order for that to be true.

Not under British Juris Prudence you don't. And that is a good thing.

Also, pay attention: this liberal handwringing that riles you is not for the benefit of Ms May, it is aimed at @miro_o.

I agree, but that’s not happening anytime soon. Let’s work with what we’ve got, rather than wishing for a fairer, more balanced media.

Let’s work with what we’ve got

quite.

Re balanced media, see my post just now in the Brexit thread.

Come on, he can’t get a decent pill lead against this shit show. Step aside and let Yvette Cooper or Emily Thornberry lead.

by all means, but they have to throw their hat in the ring first and i don't see anyone stepping up - so let's work with what we've got.

Really?

It makes you a signed-up intersectionalist. A stupid intersectionalist ;) Stop seeing people as members of groups.

Oh wow. You treat Jewish, Chinese, Irish and Lesbian people with special care?

Think about that.

Imagine, just for a moment, the monstoring YC or ET would get.

It's obscene.

Oh wow. You treat Jewish, Chinese, Irish and Lesbian people with special care?

Think about that.

You miss the point. I don't treat "them" with special care. I treat certain phrases and insults with special care. Because some are more insulting and offensive than others due to history and culture.

Which is why cunt is worse than fool, bitch is worse than tosser and nigger is worse than gammon.

I understood your point. I just don’t agree it matters.

Your ‘special care with phrases’ relies on your judgment of other people’s offence. That’s based on knowledge of the individual and ... prejudice.

Maybe just speak freely?

Ok [edited]. Whatevs.

My God, the more I ponder your position the more bat shit crazy it becomes.

I think you are saying that I should disregard any knowledge I have of whether one thing is more likely than another to offend a member of a group.

So, I should be as equally likely to call a member of LFGSS a cunt as I would one of my mother's flower arranging group that puts out bouquets in Worcester cathedral? Irrespective of my knowledge of the kind of language that is used here and there, the age of the latter group, the predominate gender of both groups, the contextual situation of a fixed gear website vs a place of worship etc etc.

I really don't believe you mean that. I think you must be entrenching.

Of course, I agree with you that inferred and proxies offence is a nuanced things and that unintentional harm can be done by over snow flakey reactions. But to have such a totalitarian view as the one you are espousing? Nah. No way you [edited].

I get you're debating things, but I seem to remember these words causing much upset for the forum boss when discussed in the football thread. Mainly because it puts him at risk. Or something like that.

Yeah, I did wonder about that.

Of course, the fact of it being problematic rather serves to emphasise my point.

I'll leave them up for today then edit.

How much of the bandwidth of language is derived from context?

This is the joys of context and intent, discussing a shitty word and using it are different things, the way you use it and why are important too.

I think you are saying that I should disregard any knowledge I have of whether one thing is more likely than another to offend a member of a group.

Yes, you got it. Well done.

Every judgment of who’se offended by what highlights bias and does no good.

^ ‘who’ in this context being a group.

OK.

We disagree on this.

Good luck with your position, I hope you have the courage to stick to it and the serendipity to prosper with it.

Ride safe.