That Corbyn fella...

Yep, I expected better (the left and so on) but purely logically they don't have to care. I agree there.

It makes asking immigrants to care about the UK a bit hard to sell as well though. It would be nice to be treated like somebody who doesn't just happen to live here, but has a stake in the place (emotionally and practically) instead of "taxation without representation"* because if the UK doesn't care...why should I?

*which is an issue for the UK people in the EU away for more than 15 years as well, the UK takes the voting rights away.
I'd also like to see this sorted on an EU wide level, but the UK can fix that right now and doesn't.

I think the simple 'No taxation without representation' can be applied here,
in reverse. If you are employed here and pay taxes to HMRC you should have a vote.

Conversely corporations who manage to evade taxation should be denied any opportunity to lobby any level of Government either direct or through any lobbyist or trade association.

Welly well well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/13/labour-flags-up-brexit-poll-which-suggests-public-regret-decision

You are asserting more workers equals lower wages. Studies don't bear this out...on the surface it seems logical. But it's not proven.

And immigrants on visa are much more likely to be abused leaving the EU and forcing everyone into such systems means even more abuse.

Finding local people first is fine but ATM there's high employment and skill issues. So people come from abroad...

Wages however vs cost of living are poor. This hits UK born and immigrants alike.

I think by solving the issues that means there are skill issues / jobs aren't rain and decoupling this from an indirect blame on immigrants ultimately everyone can benefit w/o the negative mood.

I wish voting would be easier I like the 5 year rule. But it needs sorted on an EU level and when they tried nationalism stopped it.

So taxation without representation and a subtle "your fault" mood is where I'm at. It's not unique to the UK (hi wilders...) but brexit has really exacerbated it.

Ultimately yep it's not easy to solve the UK sees their own as more important. But we may need a new way where we are all seem at least as moral citizens (same for UK people abroad)

And 3 million pissed off EU voters could do some damage to the Tories :)

What tends to put downwards pressure on wages is not availability of labour, but degree of protections of workers.

If you can sack your current workers easily then you can avail yourself of cheap new ones - and if those don't work out you can repeat the process.

If you need to manage your existing workers out according to due legal process then they have to have done something wrong - and the process takes time. Also you can't make them redundant and then hire someone else for the same role as that's against the rules.

So there might be a huge pool of cheaper workers available, but you can't "swap" your expensive ones for them.

Zero hours contracts changes this - you can be given hours from zero to whatever, no need to follow legal process to get rid of you - you simply don't get any hours.

Well businesses want a big pool of labour, that means they have more choice. Fair enough.

But real abuse of labour is relatively rare it's just shit jobs and wages ... these are much worse in some sectors.

I went on Internet there are quite a few studies on it have a read and come to your own conclusions :)

You see on EU people forums as well that some jobs just can't be filled by UK people...UK companies say it themselves. And some jobs like hotel work and nursing are bloody hardcore! People that do them really want to do them here.

Immigrants often work shithard cos you can't mess up or you get booted out...

The whole narrative of its just somehow immigrants fault is extremely harmful as ultimately we got our jobs fair and square and we all want nice things, good schools, affordable housing... like anybody in the UK. Many EU people in the UK feel angry now though we could all being each other help / information / learning.

It's a bit sad really. Hopefully labour will try to heal that bit, conservative most certainly won't.

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/10/20/video-lauraks-brexit-piece-is-an-example-of-what-frustrates-so-many/amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/03/the-wilderness-years-how-labours-left-survived-to-conquer

In 1996, Blair discussed the state of the Labour party with the journalist Joe Murphy. “You really don’t have to worry,” said Blair, “about Jeremy Corbyn suddenly taking over.”

Might get this for my Mum for Christmas. She hates Corbyn.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unofficial-Jeremy-Corbyn-Annual-2018/dp/1911042963

My brother in law is getting one. 100%. He fucking despises Corbyn.

This is good.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-documentary-general-election-jeremy-corbyn-stephen-kinnock-a8067606.html

absolute scenes.

Bit OTT. Could have just got the other cover.

What a snowflake.

Never understood that point of view - because you believe in social justice you don't believe in individual success? Eh?

That's a really nice photo of Jezza. One for the pinup calendar :p

nice photo of Jizza. One for the pinup calendar :p

:p

A great photo from inside

Looks a bit sad on that one, needs more fighting face? :)

Someone needs to photoshop that with him tied on, Trainspotting style.

I had that. "WHY NOT GO AND LIVE IN NORTH KOREA THEN??? EH??"

Pointed out that, if we're getting to that level, then if he's so much in love with the right wing, he's welcome to go and live with Varg.

https://evolvepolitics.com/mainstream-media-silent-as-jeremy-corbyn-wins-international-peace-prize/

Even the lfgus Corbyn thread silent...

I googled "Sean Macbride Peace Prize" and there were no articles on it at all from any major newspaper on the first 3 pages. I then tried adding '2016' and nothing either. It never gets written about regardless of who wins it. But well done him anyway :)

That's not quite true. It just doesn't get awarded to very high-profile people most of the time, or twice recently to 'the people and government of the Republic of the Marshall Islands' and 'the people and the island communities of Lampedusa (Italy) and Jeju Island (South Korea)'.

http://www.ipb.org/sean-macbride-peace-prize/

The last time anyone high-profile received it was Chelsea Manning in 2013, and there was at least a scattering of mentions in the press:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/chelsea-manning-peace-prize_n_4071853.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/09/chelsea-manning-not-a-pacifist

It also gets referenced quite frequently in articles about Manning that have appeared since.

But it's certainly true that it's not very high-profile in itself, possibly because it's non-monetary. Some leftist sites mention it:

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/12/09/corbyn-receives-international-peace-prize-in-geneva/
https://www.friedenskooperative.de/termine/sean-macbride-friedenspreis-2017-an-jeremy-corbyn

I don't know why the IPB isn't known better; I'm sure I've heard of it before, but didn't actively remember it. It was founded in 1891 so has probably been out-profiled by other organisations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Peace_Bureau

Perhaps most notably, a long list of its members have received the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's also worth mentioning that Corbyn isn't the only recipient this year. He shares it with the 'All Okinawa Council Against Henoko New Base' and Noam Chomsky.

Even the lfgus Corbyn thread silent...

It's not, though, that skydancer bloke just bumped it.

#self-fulfillingfallacies