That Corbyn fella...

uh - that is pretty good description of Corbyn before he became leader (or was that the point and I missed it? ;))

Zing. Well, maybe my first point.

I suppose, since the vote was whipped, he can't be seen to be weak and wobbly so needs to ensure his cabinet follow the whip. I'm sure that were they backbenchers he would have given them more respect as he voted often against the labour line as backbencher

[Edit] wot arducius said

hah yes

Seems to be a certain lack of understanding of parliamentary democracy and the European single market here.

1. The European single market was not invented by Margaret Thatcher but it was her drive and determination which brought it formerly into being in 1993. A key part of the the single market is free movement of people we can not be part of the single market unless we accept free movement of people end.
   
2. To be a member of the shadow cabinet you have to accept collective decisions made by that body if you do not agree with those decisions you have two options shut up or resign from the shadow cabinet. The so called rebels did neither and voted against a decision of the shadow cabinet JC therefore had no choice but to sack them. This the only choice he had end.
   

And a good article on the top herehttp://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/thank-you-chuka-umunna.html

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/politics/hornsey-and-wood-green-mp-catherine-west-defends-rebel-vote-1-5085998

Well she lost her bench, but took it well.

Adopting the language of the Right, this is getting wierd.

The problem with the phrase 'virtue signalling', is it avoids the actual debate, in this case the single market, and lazily attacks the character of the person you disagree with. I genuinely thought the party might unite after Corbyn's relative success in the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/30/emily-thornberry-accuses-chuka-umunna-of-virtue-signalling-on-eu-vote

Watching Chuka Umunna on election night it was clear that he wasn't a fan of Corbyn and had no intention of giving him any credit. I imagine this is a continuation of that.

Umunna is about as trustworthy as Mandelson. Who, along with Blair, has been noticeably quiet since the election.

What has Umunna done to prove himself untrustworthy? Can't think of anthing in the league of Iraq.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2017/jul/16/kids-named-after-corbyn-parents-labour-leader

"Corbyn needs to listen to the members"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/most-labour-members-want-uk-to-remain-in-single-market?CMP=share_btn_tw

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british

Insidiously subtle difference between his words and the way they're reported, even within the same article!

'Immigration has been used by unscrupulous agencies to destroy working conditions' vs 'immigration destroys working conditions'.

^ plus ca change etc.

Er, he said both versions in the Marr interview.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/23/labour-would-leave-single-market-jeremy-corbyn

“It would be a managed thing on the basis of the skills required,” he said of his
party’s future immigration policy. “What there wouldn’t be is
whole-scale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in
order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction
industries.”

Pressed on how his party would restrict immigration,
Corbyn said: “You prevent agencies recruiting for jobs like that, you
advertise for jobs in the locality first … It would be on the basis on
the economic need and skills required. The need for nurses is huge …
we have to be sensible about this.”

Haven't seen it, was going on quotes in that article. Got a link?

The Guardian has fuller quotes of the segue between the two sets of comments, see above. Finding a video clip is proving fiddly. But Helen Lewis plays a straight bat in my experience, FWIW.

What he says, to me still reads as: "Restricting immigration based on skills"

This may, or may not (some other EU countries have tighter rules than the UK, Austria is one of them) mean issues with staying in the SM. Too vague.

It's all so hard to make conclusions without a clear plan from Corbyn, and there's no guarantee the EU gives a custom package. [It's of course perfectly reasonable to enforce UK laws that already state you need to advertise and search locally first...but you don't need to leave the EU/SM for that]

"Will of the people" stuff :/

I think Helen's article was specifically saying that the private sector can't prioritise local services as that would be discrimination within the single market.

Ok I haven't read that, which one is it?

There are some things you can't do due to the open market agreements in the EU (the Bolkenstein agreement is one example of said agreements) but Corbyn is delusional if he thinks the EU will bend over backwards for him with some custom deal where he can cherry pick on open market access rules.

So, if he truly wants none of that, it's leaving the Single Market and that's going to cause a whole lot of economic problems and problems for Northern Ireland.

The risk/benefit analysis just doesn't work in my view, well...I could of course be wrong, I hope I am obviously.

The NS one - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british

Ah, I see. I should have shortened my paraphrase to 'immigration has been used to destroy' vs 'immigration destroys'.

Tx :)

I am really confused, as I thought UK law had already stated that jobs must be posted locally first, and this article says that's not possible under EU law. I think I need another hour on t'internets to find out what's what.

And of course like France and Germany, you can break the rules a little and get away with it if needs be... ;)