New 20 MPH speed limit to also apply to bikes in Southwark

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/7716

Interesting, although the Met has already said it won't (can't) enforce it for cars.

However, it would give PCSO's on operation Safeway type victim blaming initiatives another way of fining cyclists whilst letting motor vehicles speed past.

Well that's a helpful response by the fuzz. Cheers plod.

Why not just set up cameras? Instant speed reduction plus revenue.

I believe that there are quite strict requirements for camera installs - a certain number of accidents in a set period type thing.

And they wouldn't catch cyclists, of course - which would lead to cries of "foul" as one type of traffic was enforced against but not another.

I would take it to court if I got a ticket whilst riding a bike.

I believe that there are quite strict requirements for camera installs - a certain number of accidents in a set period type thing.

Yes but that only stops them from putting them up, they are happy to leave them there once in place though.

"council receives a number of complaints from residents – particularly pedestrians – about the excessive speed of cyclists."

But all the speeding cars are fine. People are douchebags.

I warned about this exact thing to all the pro 20mph campaigners on this forum a while ago and was ridiculed for suggesting that such a thing might even be possible.

Be careful what you wish for.

Reading that article it would make sense for me to get completely pissed off with it's ridiculousness, especially that last paragraph.

At the end of the day it's completely impossible to enforce, the Police don't even want to enforce it, it will all blow over and no one will care. But if the council want to buy me a £200 garmin so I can actually tell how fast I'm going then be my guest.

"council receives a number of complaints from residents – particularly pedestrians – about the excessive speed of cyclists."

On or off the pavement?

The council does not have the authority to impose speed limits on bicycles.

This would require a change in primary legislation.

Irrespective of the utter stupidity of listening to pedestrian complaints about the speed of bicyles on roadways.

I warned about this exact thing to all the pro 20mph campaigners on this forum a while ago and was ridiculed for suggesting that such a thing might even be possible.

Be careful what you wish for.

20mph is fine... if it's enforced. But it won't be so it's fucked.

On or off the pavement?

I only ride on the pavement now, roads are too dangerous. ;)

The council does not have the authority to impose speed limits on bicycles.

This would require a change in primary legislation.

Irrespective of the utter stupidity of listening to pedestrian complaints about the speed of bicyles on roadways.

The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984?

Doe this mean I'm obliged to use a calibrated speedometer?

The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984?

That gives the local traffic authority powers to set speed limits on certain roads, for motor vehicles only.

Doe this mean I'm obliged to use a calibrated speedometer?

That would be separate legislation - the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations.

The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984?

I don't see where that gives them the power to regulate cycles.

Section 6 gives Greater London local authorities power to make "Orders similar to traffic regulation orders" but subsection (5) says "No order under this section shall contain any provision for regulating the speed of vehicles on roads."

Section 81 sets the limit for motor vehicles on "restricted roads" to 30mph. Section 84 governs "Speed limits on roads other than restricted roads" and restricts itself to motor vehicles. S86 governs additional limits for non-car motor vehicles.

"council receives a number of complaints from residents – particularly pedestrians – about the excessive speed of cyclists."

I don't think many pedestrians realise quite how quick 20mph is. Even if cyclists were limited to 20mph these same pedestrians would still complain that they were going too fast.

It's a bollox idea and it'll be dropped at some point in the near future. But not until it's been in the media long enough for people to think that there is a new 20mph speed limit for cyclists and be yet another thing to get frothed up about.

Given that the met are complaining about it, I suspect their attitude to enforcing it will be complete apathy.

'...the council plans to include horse-drawn carriages'

Lol.

does that mean it may be actually possible to get done for wanton and furious cycling?

does that mean it may be actually possible to get done for wanton and furious cycling?

What's soup got to do with cycling speed limits?

Hmmm...Wanton soup.

knew that was coming.