New 20 MPH speed limit to also apply to bikes in Southwark

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  • The general problem of all two-wheelers being driven or ridden through filters can't be solved except by more enforcement, but you can't design filtering specifically to address crime. I certainly don't think that it 'facilitates' moped crime. You may think so if you imagine police pursuing suspects only by car and being 'filtered out', but I think recent years have shown that this model is outdated. Obviously, drones are now available and the police have tested them for following fleeing suspects from the air, and police on motorbikes or electric bikes would be better than having them in cars all the time. (Edit: As Howard said.) I haven't spoken to any police officers for a while so don't know what their current stance is on this, though.

  • Somewhat petulantly, I also accelerated to prevent him from being able to complete the manoeuvre.

    Love doing this!

  • I was somewhat the victim of this the other day. On my motorbike with my girlfriend on the back. We came away from some pedestrian lights in the bus lane and had a people carrier in the lane to the right. I could see ahead that a car had parked in the bus lane so I needed to move over, behind the people carrier was a line of cars so not much opportunity to move in behind it. Accelerated a bit to move over in front of it but it sped up blocking me. I didn’t go over the speed limit or accelerate hard since I’ve a passenger holding on. Anyway, saw that the guy wasn’t letting me in so had to slow down to move over behind it when a space opened. As the car went past, I looked in and saw two uniformed police officers driving the unmarked car. Was quite shocked at the officer’s driving as he sped off.
    TLDR, CSB etc

  • Stop them, shit on their bonnet and smear it to read:-

    "
    HWC RULE 168
    "

  • "Travelling over 10mph is simply not acceptable.”

    https://www.bikebiz.com/news/cyclistsslowdown

    500,000 people visit the City each day, the majority of them on foot.
    And bikes now far outnumber cars, but a minority of those riding
    through the City do so at speed, claims the new campaign.

    “Our message is simple – in the City, please ride at a speed where you
    can easily stop if a person walking happens to step out,” says a
    statement from the Corporation.

    The statement claims that the recent work to get more people on bikes
    – such as banning cars from the Bank junction – “is under threat due
    to the behaviour of a small minority of irresponsible cyclists.
    Travelling over 10mph is simply not acceptable.”

  • collisions between pedestrians and cyclists are the cause of an increasing number of injuries

    I’d like to see the source for this

  • There has been a 22% increase in pedestrian KSI between the 2009 - 11
    and 2014 – 16 baseline data which mirrors an approximate 22% increase
    in City worker population in the same period.

    https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-and-streets/road-safety/Documents/road-danger-reduction-and-active-travel-plan.pdf

  • But just above your quote it says that whilst numbers of cyclists increase, there has been a downward trend in KSIs involving cyclists.

  • The graph shows collisions have risen while the collision rate has declined I think.

  • I see, that would be a good thing right? More cyclists is bound to mean more accidents but if the number of accidents per cyclist has gone down then that’s positive. Just sounds like in the original article that they’ve made up a problem of increasing cyclist pedestrian crashes.
    Anyway, 10mph is a joke

  • If cyclists are advised to travel at 10mph, to keep to the same level of kinetic energy, which is what matters in a collision, cars would have to travel at less than 1mph.

  • cars would have to travel at less than 1mph.

    Sounds like driving through central London to me.

  • Maybe pedestrians should be taught to stop peering at their phones and make sure the road is clear before they step into it.

  • Victim blaming is reserved for cyclists hit by cars

  • London Cycling Campaign is promoting this 10mph thing?

  • They're furious. That 10mph thing was inserted into an internal email, it appears nowhere in the report.

  • Assuming that cyclists in London do ride faster than other cities e.g. Amsterdam etc. the question should be why do they feel the need to?

    I think the answer is largely that it is a natural response to a hostile road environment. Let's address that.

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New 20 MPH speed limit to also apply to bikes in Southwark

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