Should Scotland be an independent country?

The UK is the member, Scotland is a part of the UK.

That's like saying that Hampshire is a member of the EU currently.

It is -sort of- but it's meaningless.

http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/scotland-and-banks.html?spref=tw

^ that is a good link, cheers

http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/scotland-and-banks.html?spref=tw

Thanks again for this, she's just posted a follow up which mentions Devo-max as a concept which is really interesting, one possible implication being a move to a federally governed UK- which I think might be a better system than the one we have now.

i had to google almost everything mentioned in that article and I'm still none the wiser.

Never before have I felt so out-of-my-depth reading a blog post.

good 'innit - I like that!

So in answer to the question , the consensus appears to be:

It depends what you mean by independent, can we have an ish on that?

The situation appears to present itself akin to a teenager leaving home...

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2014/02/17/comment-salmond-is-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-and-now-he

apropos this from dooks' link above:

"What would happen to Scottish citizens in Europe if Scotland, as seems almost inevitable, had its EU membership cancelled, even if temporarily?"

Nothing, surely? Everyone from Scotland who possesses a passport possesses a British passport, no?

You might end up with the situation Malta was in, where all citizens of the newly independent country were offered the choice between a British or Maltese passport.

I imagine that once a Scottish citizens passport expired they'd have a new one issued by the Scottish gub'mint, in a fetching Tartan cover (if non-EU).

a key point for me from that Coppola comment link - what right does Scotland have to try and end the UK with the rUK having no say in that?

I hope they vote YES because it'll rattle my boss something chronic. He's not Scotch, and has nothing invested in their independence, but seems to get really irate about it, like a spurned lover. What a cunt.

a key point for me from that Coppola comment link - what right does Scotland have to try and end the UK with the rUK having no say in that?

Last poll I saw the rUK was more in favour of Scottish Independence than the Scotts, although that was a while ago before the rhetoric really wound up.

a key point for me from that Coppola comment link - what right does Scotland have to try and end the UK with the rUK having no say in that?

Huh? Is there something I'm missing here? Why should a population made up of three different nationalities have any right to dictate how a different population and another distinct nationality engages in their own nation-building exercise?

Even if we ignore the issue of nationality (which is fine by me. Stupid nationalities), there is surely still a larger right to self-determination awarded to the people who live somewhere rather than those who don't? Should the home counties have some say in the workings of London because they have a historic economic and political relationship?

And on practical terms: denying self-determination has, in my memory, never ended well. Not in Quebec, not in Algeria, not in the North American colonies.

Huh? Is there something I'm missing here? Why should a population made up of three different nationalities have any right to dictate how a different population and another distinct nationality engages in their own nation-building exercise?

Even if we ignore the issue of nationality (which is fine by me. Stupid nationalities), there is surely still a larger right to self-determination awarded to the people who live somewhere rather than those who don't? Should the home counties have some say in the workings of London because they have a historic economic and political relationship?

I quote " I am a citizen of the United Kingdom, and I have no vote in this referendum. Is my citizenship to be revoked on the say-so of the Scots? Is the country in which I was born and to which I have given my allegiance to be broken up without my agreement? The claim by some that Scottish independence would mean the end of the UK cannot be allowed to stand"

http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/self-determination.html

I hope they vote YES because it'll rattle my boss something chronic. He's not Scotch, and has nothing invested in their independence, but seems to get really irate about it, like a spurned lover. What a cunt.

Glover, my office, now..

I quote " I am a citizen of the United Kingdom, and I have no vote in this referendum. Is my citizenship to be revoked on the say-so of the Scots? Is the country in which I was born and to which I have given my allegiance to be broken up without my agreement? The claim by some that Scottish independence would mean the end of the UK cannot be allowed to stand"

http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/self-determination.html

I still don't understand (although it seems I did misunderstand the first post you made). The UK will continue to exist. They're not asking for the destruction of Westminster and the break-up of NI, Wales, and England (although I don't think NI is part of the UK?). Has Scotland said that their goal is to break up the UK or to become an independent state? I have always saw it as the latter. And reference to the former seems to be hyperbole to me.

My understanding (which may be faulty) is that Scotland would leave the UK if it gained independence.

That would leave England, Wales and NI (?) as the United Kingdom, along with the channel islands and so on- which may be crown dependencies- not sure on that.

This is why Scotland would not be an EU member- it is the UK that is a member of the EU, not Scotland, nor England either- but the overall entity.

Said overall entity would be smaller post- devolution.

But would we still be the UK or will we become the Former United Kingdom?

Nationality: FUK

Please let this happen.

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Will house prices in a newly independant Scotland go up as English people move there to get away from the Tories?
Can be a non-dom by living in Scotland and pay no tax to anyone?

Also can Scots living in England vote on this?

Nope, residents only.

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