Nutrition on the road - What, How and Why?

should I be worried that the oo in loon seems like pair of eyes following me around ?

Not at all.

Well the cola stuff mixed with water is shit too. Glad to know other gels are maybe better as that first experience sucked. I got another flavour too was the peanut one or butterscotch so might try again but not sure I'm going to go for another gel soon.

Dextrose tablets I have somewhere, got given a free pack at a show will dig them out. I was thinking of grabbing some lucozade tablets they are the same stuff with a flavouring I think.

Will swing by a camping shop and grab a Kendal mint cake if they still make it. Tried and tested stuff for me.

That sounds perfect, all sugar, you know it works for you and you can stomach it.

TBH I wouldn't bother carrying dextrose tablets as well if I had mint cake, they'd be a bit redundant.

Wat? None of these things are appropriate. I think you're reading advice for racing and applying it to a completely different ride.

Gels exist as a fast to eat form of carbs. For racing. Their only relevance to the DD is you can stash one for emergency boost or the last push home.

Kendal mint cake is just refined sugar and mint flavour. Are you going to ride for 8 hours on that? Hells no. Eat some food.

Kendal mint cake is just refined sugar and mint flavour. Are you going to ride 100 miles on that? Hells no. Eat some food.

+1

Epic sugar crash imminent otherwise, you'll feel fucking horrible and wish you were dead. Dead!

should I be worried that the oo in loon seems like pair of eyes following me around ?
That's a bit rich coming from yoo.

Kendal mint cake is just refined sugar and mint flavour. Are you going to ride for 8 hours on that? Hells no. Eat some food.

This statement doesn't tally with my personal experience of doing long rides fueled only by sugar. It works for me. Others may be different, of course.

Has Asker Jeukendrup done any research that didn't involve Powerbar or Gatorade products?

Race nutrition vs ride nutrition totally different as your body diverts bloodflow away from the gut under hard exercise making digestion problematic. See triathletes shitting they drawers in Ironmans for details.

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Epic sugar crash imminent otherwise, you'll feel fucking horrible and wish you were dead. Dead!

Not if you're actually moving.

Has Asker Jeukendrup done any research that didn't involve Powerbar or Gatorade products?

Race nutrition vs ride nutrition totally different as your body diverts bloodflow away from the gut under hard exercise making digestion problematic. See triathletes shitting they drawers in Ironmans for details.

Yes, all the research he did before he was employed by them.

They're not totally different - the principle of needing to take on carbs and fluid and not fat or protein remains.

Wat? None of these things are appropriate. I think you're reading advice for racing and applying it to a completely different ride.

Gels exist as a fast to eat form of carbs. For racing. Their only relevance to the DD is you can stash one for emergency boost or the last push home.

Kendal mint cake is just refined sugar and mint flavour. Are you going to ride for 8 hours on that? Hells no. Eat some food.

Well that's what I'm trying to work out. The current stuff in bags and pockets is looking like this.

Pump + Tubes + multitool + spanner
Mini D Lock
Phone + Keys + Wallet
Chorizo
Bagel full of whatever I feel like when getting it maybe 2
Bag of Crisps
Random stuff in supermarket sausage rolls?
Flapjacks
Drink tablet things to add to water bottles
10ish assorted cereal bars(I posted them above)
A powerbar or two
Kendal mint cake
Gel if one tastes ok

Can't see any huge danger of having more than I need. If I end up riding with some people and it's time to break open the sauasge rolls or break out the bars then feel like a right nob not being able to share, is like having a chewing gum infront of someone when it's a full pack.

fig rolls are pretty bad ass too.

Stroop waffles, natural confectionary copmany snakes, bassetts jelly babies, white bread jam sandwiches (low fibre bread, no butter), i've been known to smash a pack of ready salted crisps and a pint of coke if I go into to a pub to refill bottles, can of v, espresso with sugar

Not if you're actually moving.

I'm quite capable of wishing I were dead while moving. You clearly need to practice your multitasking.

Well that's what I'm trying to work out. The current stuff in bags and pockets is looking like this.

Pump + Tubes + multitool + spanner
Mini D Lock
Phone + Keys + Wallet
Chorizo
Bagel full of whatever I feel like when getting it maybe 2
Bag of Crisps
Random stuff in supermarket sausage rolls?
Flapjacks
Drink tablet things to add to water bottles
10ish assorted cereal bars(I posted them above)
A powerbar or two
Kendal mint cake
Gel if one tastes ok

Can't see any huge danger of having more than I need. If I end up riding with some people and it's time to break open the sauasge rolls or break out the bars then feel like a right nob not being able to share, is like having a chewing gum infront of someone when it's a full pack.

Hippo says you're not allowed chorizo or you'll DIE!

FWIW when I did the DD last year I brought 1 (one) packet of fig rolls and a bag of jelly snakes, and I only ate the fig rolls because I forgot about the snakes. I didn't die.

Epic sugar crash imminent otherwise, you'll feel fucking horrible and wish you were dead. Dead!

Not if you're actually moving.

I'm not completely convinced by this. If you're taking it easy but eating a lot of sugar, you could be absorbing much more than you're burning, particularly if you naturally have a fat burning metabolism. Once your liver and muscles are full of glycogen, what's going to happen with the extra ? Nothing good, I suspect.

I've seen articles claiming that insulin spikes don't happen during exercise, but none that were very clear on how hard the exercise needs to be. Does strolling slowly down the street count ?

tl;dr eating all the sugar may not be for everyone

This statement doesn't tally with my personal experience of doing long rides fueled only by sugar. It works for me. Others may be different, of course.

Sugar yes, but refined sugar only? What and how did you eat?

Medjool dates also nice on the bike food with good combo of glucose and fructose

I'm quite capable of wishing I were dead while moving. You clearly need to practice your multitasking.

I'm a dude. I can't multitask. Apparently.

resumes breathing

Hippo says you're not allowed chorizo or you'll DIE!

Best you hand all the sausage to me.

ALL THE SAUSAGE!

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Hippo says you're not allowed chorizo or you'll DIE!

FWIW when I did the DD last year I brought 1 (one) packet of fig rolls and a bag of jelly snakes, and I only ate the fig rolls because I forgot about the snakes. I didn't die.

Can I die in normal lowercase, you make it sound so aggressive I just can't go along with that plan.

Sugar yes, but refined sugar only? What and how did you eat?

Maltodextrin, in water. Actually now I think about it there was some BCAA powder in there as well, but none of what you'd call real food.

More recently I've dropped the BCAAs and added some fructose powder, and I've been supplementing with a bit of real food in form of dates, dried peaches and almonds, because when the rides get really long I suspect I'll need more than just sugar.

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Epic sugar crash imminent otherwise, you'll feel fucking horrible and wish you were dead. Dead!

Your wish will be granted in due course when you develop NIDDM.

BCCAs
F0R SClENCE!!!!

Best you hand all the sausage to me.

ALL THE SAUSAGE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrIeP798hiQ

I'm not completely convinced by this. If you're taking it easy but eating a lot of sugar, you could be absorbing much more than you're burning, particularly if you naturally have a fat burning metabolism. Once your liver and muscles are full of glycogen, what's going to happen with the extra ? Nothing good, I suspect.

I've seen articles claiming that insulin spikes don't happen during exercise, but none that were very clear on how hard the exercise needs to be. Does strolling slowly down the street count ?

tl;dr eating all the sugar may not be for everyone

Define "a lot" though.

Even at a snail's pace the energy requirements for a 200k ride are quite high - get tester to do the maths. How much energy is contained in a kendal mint cake?

I'm sure there's data on this but I don't have time to track it down and I don't know off the top of my head what intensity levels match what amount of glycogen use/blood sugar levels.