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Oh, I didn't realise you knew the rider and what their body is like. I also didn't realise that you were a bike fitter nowadays...?

No, never claimed to be. My bikes fit fine anyway.

The guy bought a custom frame and then added those things to it, wouldn't you just work that into the design?

I knew if I were going custom I'd get a bike that I didn't have to mess with setup that much to get it comfy.

As far as the bars being too low in relation to the seat post, that wasn't what the frame was designed to do, the customer is a roady by trade, and wants something to take everything he wants to carry, but would normally do up to 100 miles per day, so having the ability to get into a (ever so) slightly more aggressive position than on a more traditional tourer was deemed to be beneficial, although, to be fair it is not really that controversial a design, and I am far from the first person to do it.

My comment re: road racer position was @ Indra who was implying that the bars were too high. Looks totally functional/normal for a tourer to me.

longer head tube, which was the extended, then the customer added spacer and a + deg stem...

I wonder if they've considered simply stretching.

I wonder if you've considered talking less bollocks?

I wonder if you've considered just putting me on ignore if that's what you think.

My comment re: road racer position was @ Indra who was implying that the bars were too high. Looks totally functional/normal for a tourer to me.

Not too high just that he could have go a frame that just positioned them higher.

I wonder if you've considered just putting me on ignore if that's what you think.

I've never had to put anyone on ignore here.

Not too high just that he could have go a frame that just positioned them higher.

You would absolutely do that on a custom road frame (for aesthetics as much as anything) but as coldharbour has explained, on a loaded tourer it helps to have the top tube low when you're swinging your leg over it (on top of the stiffness benefits). The spacers aren't a problem functionally, just aesthetically.

... and as far as touring goes, that puny stack is a relative slamdatstem.

I have taken the criticism onboard, and have ammended the frame accordingly:

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/talbotframeworks/bc7fd4cf-34a4-4356-9f00-859c8c74741e_zps71c9101b.jpg

I see pixels

Perfect haha

Lol. Proper craft that is...

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/talbotframeworks/DSC_0630_zps1382fa2e.jpg

So how much is an 853 frame now?

£1200 painted and prepped, with bike fit.

Is that including a carbon fork?

No, but it does include painting of any forks that are to go with the build.

That tourer is so lovely.

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag153/talbotframeworks/DSC_8956_zps94260780.jpg

that colour is so loveeeely

Won't go with the owners preferred green cycling top though.

Who is it for?

Howard. I believe.

I see Talbot you have changed the graphic design on your decals, def an improvement.