Power Meters / Powermeters (SRM, Powertap, Quarq, Ergomo, Vector, Stages, power2max, P2M, 4iii, InPower, Cinch)

I don't add TSS for anything but cycling as it doesn't add fitness and thus would mess up CTL. Nor does it necessarily affect cycling performance.

So, 2 hours of leg work in the gym doesn't change your TSS or ATL?

Beg to differ.

so much easier to live with and move between bikes than any other power meter

You want a race to see who can switch their powermeters over faster? I have Powertap, you have your funny pedals.. Go!

I don't care how fast you are with a pedal spanner, I'll win.

Including changing from training tyres and tubes to racing ones? And changing the cassette, and either removing or adding your wheel covers?

I have a racing wheel so if you want to go down that route, sure.

But the issue here is "move between bikes".

So, 2 hours of leg work in the gym doesn't change your TSS or ATL?

Beg to differ.

I refuse to believe folk do leg work in the gym. Its all about the epic benching, and checking facebook.

I refuse to believe folk do leg work in the gym. Its all about the epic benching, and checking mirrors.

ftfy

If you have Very Good 5min and FTP, why are you still in 4th Cat? Did you just start racing?

I don't do a lot. Think about six or seven crits this year.

I just get nailed in the sprint, which is probably down to tactics.

You should get a good warmup in and go hard from the gun.

That's not very sociable though, is it.

I have a racing wheel so if you want to go down that route, sure.

But the issue here is "move between bikes".

True if you just want / can use the same wheel but I move between disc brakes and rim brakes, Campag 6 and 8 speed and Shimano 10 and 11 etc etc so the closest thing I can get to a quick change universal powermeter is the power pedals.

Perhaps over Christmas I should spend some time in the workshop and design some sort of quick release for pedals!

Oh bugger - now I've stopped working and started sketching!

Wellgo have already done it, worth looking at their folding-bike pedal range for any ideas to rip off. In order to make QR pedals, though, you'd either have to modify all your cranks or start chopping into your £1300 pedal spindles.

That's not very sociable though, is it.

Do you want to win or do you just want a training ride with some tea and a chat at the finish?

Do you want to win or do you just want a training ride with some tea and a chat at the finish?

I'd rather not do a 20-lap cyclopark time trial, though!

I get your point though. Don't wait for someone else to make a move.

So, 2 hours of leg work in the gym doesn't change your TSS or ATL?

Beg to differ.

You missed my point. It does, but it doesn't change fitness.
Nor is it really cycling related. If I did gym work and was a triathlete or duathlete then i'd add it. But being a cyclist only, i feel it's better to exclude it from the chart, as it's hard to quantify in TSS figure and just make a note.

You missed my point. It does, but it doesn't change fitness.
Nor is it really cycling related. If I did gym work and was a triathlete or duathlete then i'd add it. But being a cyclist only, i feel it's better to exclude it from the chart, as it's hard to quantify in TSS figure and just make a note.

No, you missed my point.

What is fitness? If weights session does change TSS and ATL why aren't you changing them?

If you did a gym session and raced the day after you really think that gym time doesn't affect your legs just because it wasn't on a bike?

We see it from different angles.
I agree with you, with is why I write down what I do. But I don't add it in terms of TSS as I wouldn't know how to quantify a gym session in TSS.
Further I don't believe a gym session would benefit on bike fitness, which is what my CTL is, and thus I exclude it from the chart. But I make a note in my training diary.

We agree. Just handle it differently.

TSS is just an estimate anyway so what harm is there in incorporating an estimate for other activities that most certainly affect your cycling ability? Your TSB will be less accurate if you're not including things like running, weight sessions, etc.

IMO it wouldn't make me a better cyclist so I don't include it.

But as I said, it's personal, so for some it would be relevant.

I go on 2h walks, they wouldn't make me a better cyclist. So I don't include them. I make a note in the training diary and thats it. So I can refer back and see. But it's not quantifiable for me.

Now if you were a triathlete and went for a walk, maybe, as a long walk might have benefit on running performance.

But antway, different strokes for different folks. I'm not saying don't add it, I'm saying for me, not adding works.

I'll make it easy for everyone: don't run, don't walk, don't do any dumb shit like go to a gym. Sorted. :)

I go to a gym 3-4 times a week now!

Not to lift weights. I'm no track sprinter.

3-4 gym sessions a week must be having an effect on your fitness and how tired you are unless you just go there to read Mens Fitness mags and chat up birds in lycra? Gyms >>>

I'll leave this here for skinny to come back to in March ;)

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/general-fitness/all-about-overtraining.aspx

I go to the gym 1 or 2 times a week - leg work - leg press, leg curls, squats. raises etc etc plus a 1000m rowing to warm up and a 5 to 8km run to finish.

I ride road twice a week and mountain bike once a week. I trail run with the dogs for up to an hour 3 times a week.

I still reckon I'm a fat bastard OMIL but I can ride 100 miles a day, day after day after day ....