Olympics 2012 track cycling

You're telling me this is unprofessional? Perhaps why my career is panning out as planned.

I guess whatever drugs he was on were worth it. Were yours good too? :)

Ah, this I did not know. Glad they got spanked, hope that trend continues

And I thought you did get banned for missing tests?

He was, but in typical half-arsed fashion it was backdated so he could ride the Olympics. (I think, I need to check)

I believe this is correct. Same as Alpuerto Clentador.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/16442107

Actually this says he missed one test and "a violation of rules governing rider availability for drug tests." whatever that means

So he missed one test and wasn't available for others.
http://www.trackcyclingnews.com/baugebanned.html

Which to me sounds like he missed more than one test. Backdating his suspension is rubbish.

Really need to take stronger action against transgressions of this kind. So you miss a test but still get to ride the Olympics? Makes the UCI look very weak, or corrupt, or corrupt and weak, or drunk

Corrupt

Corrupt and weak and drunk.

Brailsford should have paid them more and they wouldn't have DQed VP and Varmish

Bauge didn't test positive. But if he missed tests due to a guilty conscience then it's probably fair to say he isn't the only one in the velodrome without a clean history.

Really need to take stronger action against transgressions of this kind. So you miss a test but still get to ride the Olympics? Makes the UCI look very weak, or corrupt, or corrupt and weak, or drunk

No, they are strong and decisive (demonstrable for dq'ing teams for small infringements yesterday)

It used to be that a lifetime ban would've emptied the sport of all athletes (on road and track). But that is no longer the case.

I've come around to the idea of a lifetime ban now. The sport no longer has to tolerate dopers for fear of destroying the sport, now the dopers would just be destroying their own careers.

Millar should be gone, Bauge gone, Vino gone, etc.

You can't change the past, but you can make the future in whatever way you wish. If the UCI would have us believe that the sport is clean then it needs to be clean.

Just my opinion.

No, they are strong and decisive (demonstrable for dq'ing teams for small infringements yesterday)

Clearly GB misplaced their brown envelope full of twenties

Bauge didn't test positive. But if he missed tests due to a guilty conscience then it's probably fair to say he isn't the only one in the velodrome without a clean history.

Missing tests is the same thing as positive which is why they issue bans for missing tests. I don't trust any elite sportsmen any more.. unless they're Aussie #jingoismforsmithy

Interesting blog from dope control chaperone..
http://paulsolympic.blogspot.co.uk/

It used to be that a lifetime ban would've emptied the sport of all athletes (on road and track). But that is no longer the case.

I've come around to the idea of a lifetime ban now. The sport no longer has to tolerate dopers for fear of destroying the sport, now the dopers would just be destroying their own careers.

Millar should be gone, Bauge gone, Vino gone, etc.

You can't change the past, but you can make the future in whatever way you wish. If the UCI would have us believe that the sport is clean then it needs to be clean.

Just my opinion.

I have been pondering this at length for a while. I can understand the pressure of young professional and amateur athletes to perform to get a good contract/secure sponsorship, and I can also understand that when you are young you can be foolish, and impressionable. I would hate for someone to pay for the rest of their life for one mistake.

That said I hate the thought of drugs cheats like Vino and Bange winning medals at the expense of clean riders, its loathsome, which leans me the other way.

A lot has been made of Sky's use of Leinders, Yates and even Rogers but I guess while they came into the sport with the right intentions, given that it will really be another generation before you can hope the sport is fully clean its hard to see how they could avoid it totally.. Pointing out someone the the pro scene who has doped or is associated with doping, be they current pros, ex-riders turned DS/team owner or cycling doctors is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I've come around to the idea of a lifetime ban now.

Yes, there's no reason not to do this. It would be gratifying if they could hit the teams with something as well as individual riders (or do they already do this?).

I have been pondering this at length for a while. I can understand the pressure of young professional and amateur athletes to perform to get a good contract/secure sponsorship, and I can also understand that when you are young you can be foolish, and impressionable. I would hate for someone to pay for the rest of their life for one mistake.

That said I hate the thought of drugs cheats like Vino and Bange winning medals at the expense of clean riders, its loathsome, which leans me the other way.

A lot has been made of Sky's use of Leinders, Yates and even Rogers but I guess while they came into the sport with the right intentions, given that it will really be another generation before you can hope the sport is fully clean its hard to see how they could avoid it totally.. Pointing out someone the the pro scene who has doped or is associated with doping, be they current pros, ex-riders turned DS/team owner or cycling doctors is like shooting fish in a barrel.

People everywhere pay for the rest of their lives for one mistake. Why should cheating in sport be any different? Cheat, caught, go be a shelf stacker somewhere.

The fish in the barrel are getting less and less though aren't they. If the doping rules were harsher there'd be even fewer.

Most of the time (and I'm thinking of cases like Alan Baxter who lost his skiing medal for snorting Vicks for a cold), it's not like it could be an innocent mistake that they make either.

As a sportsman you know that (outside the rules of the sport you play in) practically the most cardinal rule you cannot break is to take drugs.

Have I logged into the Daily Mail forum by mistake?

Lifetime bans or andyp loves Lance A forever and ever..

A mistake suggests that investigating the effects of drugs / blood doping, buying the expertise / equipment, taking the drugs / filing yourself with blood from a bag / jabbing a needle in your arse, then taking masking agents and "missing" test appointments is actually just one big accident.

An oversight, if you will.

So Hindes' intentional crash after messing up his start isn't cheating but missing drug tests is?

^^^^^^ O Rilly? No second chance in life for anyone ever then? Enlightening stuff....

If, as in Millars case, they 'fess up, do their time, are wholly repentant, and become active opponents of doping in all it's forms then fair enough. Give 'em another chance.

It's not sporting, but there are certainly no rules against it. So no.