#VoteBike - 2012 London Mayoral elections

Is it indeed? Who made it up?

All of which ignores the central issue which is that if Labour had put up a sensible and electable candidate, we wouldn't be facing four more years of the nasty imbecile Johnson.

First, I don't know whether the SWP are correct or not.

I only quoted that source for the stats. I wanted an official source but couldn't find it quickly. This is probably a more reputable source but comes at a cost:

http://pa.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/4/737.extract

Perhaps he has reason to feel agrieved but he should have dealt with that within the Labour Party and not fought against the Labour candidate.

Against Blair and blatant gerrymandering? You have to be joking.

He cannot pick and choose when he should support the party and when he should stand outside it.

I doubt very much that he would have done this had the selection process been handled fairly.

He is devisive. I apologise for my iPad's spell check and my fat fingers.

'Divisive', but you're getting there. :)

He does not want white middle class people to have any role in London. He sees no electoral base among them. He is interested only in being elected and gaining power. I would be interested if you could find one statement by him that in any way indicated a willingness to allow the white middle class to feel part of London.

Indeed, all you will find is against the socio economic and ethnic group into which I was born. It was not my choice to be white or middle class. I believe that I have as much right to live in London as anyone else. Not more but the same. You will find nothing from Livingston supporting this. Instead he says that people are "too rich to support Labour".

I'm afraid I still don't see any evidence for this claim. He didn't say what you attribute to him. Instead, he said that voting intention is to a large extent, although not exclusively, governed by people's income levels. You're an exception, but I personally have no doubt that in general he is correct and that wealthier people are much more likely to vote Conservative.

Again, I'm no partisan of Livingstone's, but I don't accept that he's divisive.

@ Cliveo: Probably the same alien entity that has apparently been writing your posts in the last couple of days. Better check your seat is not already occupied when you get to Munich.

Another made-up quote.

Interesting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/livingstone-says-jews-are-too-rich-to-vote-for-him-7580721.html

Interesting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/livingstone-says-jews-are-too-rich-to-vote-for-him-7580721.html

Yes, very, as it proves my point. It is not in quotes there because it is not a quote.

The latest polls, by the way:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5303
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5310

But he did say it or is he alleging that this is all a Zionist conspiracy?

If you look at the role that Jewish people, many very wealthy, have had in the Labour Party and its history, Livingston is showing himself to be out of touch with history as well as modern London.

The latest polls, by the way:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5303
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5310

And yet in the country as a whole Labour are well ahead of the Tories in the polls and, traditionally, London is more Labour than Tory. The Livingston effect.

We will be stuck with four more years of Johnson because of it. That is why I am angry.

But he did say it

You tell me; neither you nor anyone else has yet produced the quotation. A paraphrase, at best, but not a quote.

The latest polls, by the way:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5303
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5310

Yougov polls it almost too close to call, I believe they have +/- 3% error margins.

And yet in the country as a whole Labour are well ahead of the Tories in the polls and, traditionally, London is more Labour than Tory. The Livingston effect.

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Inner London is traditionally Labour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LondonParliamentaryConstituency2010Results.svg

And yet in the country as a whole Labour are well ahead of the Tories in the polls and, traditionally, London is more Labour than Tory. The Livingston effect.

We will be stuck with four more years of Johnson because of it. That is why I am angry.

It's less the Livingstone effect than the result of the character assassination of him since the 2008 mayoral election, when he was vilified about a few since largely unsubstantiated charges. (This is not to say that he didn't make mistakes, just that the emotional barrage is out of all proportion to what actually happened.)

It's also the Johnson effect of completely insubstantial politics based on a candidate who for some reason is a very popular entertainer and who, cynically for a Conservative, stood on a platform of 'change'.

Labour's problem isn't Livingstone, but that they don't have a better candidate. Do you really think Oona King would have seriously challenged Johnson in any way?

I can see that the way the conversation unfolded meant this interpretation was placed on it.

Ho hum

Inner London is traditionally Labour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LondonParliamentaryConstituency2010Results.svg

There's a big fat red blob where Clive lives.

Oona King would have been far better and could have united all those who hate Johnson as much as i do. I would have voted for her.

Yougov polls it almost too close to call, I believe they have +/- 3% error margins.

I agree. Polls have been wrong before, and they obviously themselves influence public opinion, too.

I agree. Polls have been wrong before, and they obviously themselves influence public opinion, too.

Why its a good idea to be on the list they ask :).

Inner London is traditionally Labour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LondonParliamentaryConstituency2010Results.svg

Population makes London as a whole more likely to be Labour.

The LCC was abolished when the Tories realised that they could never control it. They created the GLC. This was then abolished by Thatcher when she realised that she could never control it.

The map shows the position after the last election when the Tories performed far better than they ought to have on a strongly anti labour vote.

The GLA and the Mayor ought to be safely Labour, if only Labour would field the correct candidate.

Oona King would have been far better and could have united all those who hate Johnson as much as i do. I would have voted for her.

I like Oona King, but she never would have had a chance to win the election. Livingstone wants to make her 'young people's champion' if he wins:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/26/oona-king-joins-ken-livingstone-team

I suspect that she'd be given a bigger role after that.

Why its a good idea to be on the list they ask :).

List:

1. Roolbg
   

Sorry, forum reflex.

There's a big fat red blob where Clive lives.

It's one thing to make jokes about my obesity but is it really necessary to mock my rosecea?

It's all about you, isn't it, Clive?

I was actually referring to all the cat blood spilled in the streets.

Oh, and 'rosacea'.

The GLA and the Mayor ought to be safely Labour, if only Labour would field the correct candidate.

The curious thing about this election is that it is not seen as Labour vs Conservative. It's Boris vs Ken. I wish it wasn't, but it is. Just as Labour could not have found anyone else to have a chance against Boris, the Conservatives could not have found anyone else to have a chance against Ken.