Strava

And your point is?

it all depends why do you strava for.

My point (well, coach Levi's point) isn't about Strava.

Coach Levi's point is that you shouldn't add loads of middling intensity work and expect it to help achieve your goals- quite the contrary.

I cannot spot anything in his article about not tracking your mileage.

But you said:

If you're riding the bike then you're riding the bike- it's all effort.

His/my point is surely that it's not all really effort? It's just easy to think of it as such.

Anyway, you're right, it has nothing to do with Strava :)

well its an effort i'm not interested in quantifying. Miles without proper effort is as intersting as miles without climbing :)

But you said:

His/my point is surely that it's not all really effort? It's just easy to think of it as such.

Anyway, you're right, it has nothing to do with Strava :)

Did you read the article? His point is that if you want to increase your fitness the key is not to add in loads of middling intensity work but to add in focussed high intensity stuff.

The reason being that junk miles are effort- just the wrong sort of effort.

well its an effort i'm not interested in quantifying. Miles without proper effort is as intersting as miles without climbing :)

This is an example of a one of my morning commutes to work: http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/CT25OXBWQWFQ4SE6I36BKP4CHA

Was it interesting? No, not really- but it's definitely training load.

If you pick and choose the miles you record then you remove a large part of the feedback loop required to establish if your training is working.

Maybe he's just worried someone's going to think less of him for him distance-per-ride average dropping because of relatively short commutes or because of the slower average speeds ;)

I always recorded my commutes because it made up between 65 and 75miles difference to my total. Not recording it doesn't really make much sense when you can easily make your commutes private.... hell of a difference to lose just to look good/better

Did you read the article? His point is that if you want to increase your fitness the key is not to add in loads of middling intensity work but to add in focussed high intensity stuff.

These moderate paced rides that are “kinda hard” are the most common form of junk miles. These rides are hard enough to make you feel like you’re working, but easy enough that you don’t feel the urge to vomit. In other words, they’re comfortably painful.
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@Rowhan - Does anyone actually care about their distance per ride average? I don't even know where you'd find that.

I have no objection to recording your commutes then making them private. Actually my objection to commutes has been overstated. I still follow Dammit on Strava so they can't upset me that much :P

@Dammit - Yes, I dug it out of my bookmarks, I've read it a number of times. Like Branwen I can't really see how you're coming to the conclusion you're coming to. Most of what I see people doing on Strava is exactly that - middling intensity work.

I guess for me I see my commute/miles around town as so far removed from my 'proper riding' that I don't see the point in recording it.

I've started logging my walks from the sofa to the toilet and back again. I don't want to miss out on the extra distance I can log.

Oh and I've also signed up for the free Premium month trial.

I won't be continuing my subscription...

@Rowhan - Does anyone actually care about their distance per ride average? I don't even know where you'd find that.

I have no objection to recording your commutes then making them private. Actually my objection to commutes has been overstated. I still follow Dammit on Strava so they can't upset me that much :P

@Dammit - Yes, I dug it out of my bookmarks, I've read it a number of times. Like Branwen I can't really see how you're coming to the conclusion you're coming to. Most of what I see people doing on Strava is exactly that - middling intensity work.

I guess for me I see my commute/miles around town as so far removed from my 'proper riding' that I don't see the point in recording it.

From his choice of quotes it looks like Branwen is agreeing with me, although the question mark is a bit of a puzzler.

Fox you seem to be suggesting that people are commuting and counting it as their training- rather than doing it in addition to their training.

Which may be the case, it is true. However, whatever the case it's still an actual training load- even if it's not a particularly effective use of time, as the article points out.

i.e. just because you don't think it's "worthy" doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But this is all getting off the point- anyone with an interest in training is probably using something other than Strava to record actual training load etc, Strava is a willy-waving ride diary, so yes you may as well not record your commutes in it if you don't want to offend Fox.

Strava your training, blog your commutes, autobiog your races, tweet your grievances, die alone.

As an aside you should record everything you do on a bike.
I make note of when I spin 5mins to the supermarket. It all mattes.

If I'm looking back in 5 months and trying to work out why I was/wasn't going well, it's needed.

Say you commute 5miles each way 10miles a day, 5 days a week. 48ish weeks a year, that's 2400 miles. A LOT.

Then why not to record walking from your bed to the toilet? If you do the maths, in a year it will be a lot too.

Don't forget to record your sleep patterns, your food diary, a daily psychological profiling test, a sex and masturbation chart, and a weekly bicycle diagnostic report. It all adds up, particularly the masturbation.

Far too much of all of that going on on here already...

I like to schedule my training load so that the resulting graph looks like a pair of tits.

Yeah that's right, I said 'load'.

I ramped up the kaju katri (or 'katli' if you prefer) tonight, because my wife said it tasted like soap. Whatever, her soapy loss is my marginal taste sensation gain. It all adds up.

bmmf what was your weapon of choice for the west highgate ratio-wise?

Oh god, even the strava thread's descended into GI talk