Hip Hop Skid Bikes / Hipster Sleds / HHSB

Same!,

Really got a lust for something alloy because of this thread, Can't be a good thing.

Waiting for all the second hand LOW///s to start appearing!

That photo reminds me I'm in need of some casual winter bike clobber,

I'm very much looking forward to getting out on the dark winter nights of London and whip-skidding the town slave!

^Might be worth having a gander here: https://www.lfgss.com/thread94840.html

Repost - but may help to exemplify Dosnoventa frame Rad-ride credentials.

Dosnoventa bikes might be good for, how did someone put it... "Street shredding" But it aint true to what this is all about. Track / Tarck bikes are track bikes on the street, if you don't have pedal over lap then you aint the real deal. If you can't handle track geometry in a street environment, then you don't get the respect of the ones that can. It's a whole other league as far as i'm concerned.

Track bikes / fixed gear are / is not meant to be easy to ride on the streets. If you are a company that is making bikes that are easier to ride for the masses, then you are only in it to make money.

sounds really dictatorial. calm down.

sounds really dictatorial. calm down.

I am calm as can possibly be...

This is just my opinion, as someone that has been a part of the evolution of Fixed gear over the last few years. I'm not going to be the person standing by watching this culture slowly but surely sink into some sort of cesspit.

The standard should be as high as possible for as long as possible, in everything anyone does.

I can empathise with what Andy is saying. Bikes like these dilute the culture behind why people started to ride track bikes on the street in the first place and make it nothing more than a fashion statement (though HHSB is obvs a big fashion thing).

#contradictingonesself

So envious of that guys wheelie skills! must get a beater front wheel and go practice!

It's more about how you ride than what you're riding.

My first Tarck was slack as that Dos - designed as a pure track bike but had no toeverlap and handled easily. It predated any "scene" by about 5years and I was it's first street user (Previously used at Manchester and Newport).

I agree that the increasing commercial value of the tarck bike risks diluting the purity of what we're trying to do here, but denouncing a frame because it doesn't meet a ludicrous/masochistic criterion like "must have bags of toeverlap" doesn't seem a sensible way to go about it.

Also my Peloton has zero toe overlap and that's most definitely a track frame. Maybe I just have small feet?

also depends on your pedals/cleat position,

I switched from spd-sl to spd and now i have toe overlap whereas i didnt before, need to realign my cleats

Also my Peloton has zero toe overlap and that's most definitely a track frame. Maybe I just have small feet?

It's a Japanese made NJS Track frame made by Peloton, toe over lap or not your bike has heritage that is based around track racing. NJS frames are not mass produced, they are made for each rider.

Exempt!

Does the 14R have toe overlap?

the only one of my bikes that has toe overlap

is my road bike

Does the 14R have toe overlap?

It depends on how it is setup by the rider. But in it's intended form, yes it does have toe overlap. The 14R is based on traditional track geometry after all.

Could be me getting it wrong but this definitely looks like it was meant to have a 700c front....

I think you are all taking this too literally...

I don't aspire to purchase frames that have toe overlap. I want to have track frames that come from track based frame builders. Frames that are custom made with tight track geometry.

There is a frame builder hierarchy in my head and also in many peoples heads in fact...

I disagree, the head-tube angle would be like a cruiser with a 700c

On another note, I eat toe overlap for breakfast.

Damn, someone buy this and convert it to a frontwheel! 3.6 kilo's O.o

http://link.marktplaats.nl/603990316

I want to have track frames that come from track based frame builders. Frames that are custom made with tight track geometry.

There is a frame builder hierarchy in my head and also in many peoples heads in fact...

Agree with this statement - and agree with your comments in principle.

My objection was to the sense that those who ride proper track bikes (in a rad fashion) but fall short of some arbitrary pronouncement by the geometry police are rendered somehow inferior.

I'd go as far as to say that those who ride a Dosnoventa properly should not be tarnished by the makers commercial ambitions, but you do have to ask why they'd bother to shell out for such a frame in the first place!

Right now in BCN and Spain they (290) are working very hard to try and capitalise and flood the delayed mrkt with their pieces. i say delayed as aluminium frame sales have only really taken precident over steel in the last 18months. I'm trying to flog a near perfect NJS frame in BCN right now and it is being ignored as its all about alu. i have also heard that they are gifting a lot of the 'it' riders and doing a lot of mates rates in order to push things forward rather than letting the product speak for itself... in the long term the wheat does get sorted from the chaff but lets hope it doesnt damage the chances of the brands that are a bit more credible. time will tell, nobody gets it perfect first time round.

reap. love it.

@andypancake. - I totally agree. It's the exact reason why road conversions are never any good in my mind. From riding a conversion to a fuji track, despite it being nothing fancy it has the right geometry and that's what makes it so fun.

Damn, someone buy this and convert it to a frontwheel! 3.6 kilo's O.o

http://link.marktplaats.nl/603990316

When I translate it, it says 3.6 pounds? But in Dutch it says Kilos?
Que?