Epic WTF

ha!

probably.

or for calling them fuckwits

are you suggesting they're not?

They are probably suggesting they are not. Someone should call someone elses parents/boss/partner/associates. This can't go on. Won't someone think of the ect ect until we all drink bleach.

Repped to restore some balance.

They are probably suggesting they are not. Someone should call someone elses parents/boss/partner/associates. This can't go on. Won't someone think of the ect ect until we all drink bleach.

There must be a reason behind all those "designers" on here being freelancers. They better stay away from the repair department of PC World.

It was all people that knew him, ex GF's and one night stands etc..

I was being lighthearted ;) I've only got to leave myself logged in for 5 mins away from the computer only to come back and find that I'm apparently gay

In case anyone was wondering Gridds' response was a kneejerk, hypocritical "Violent predatory rape is a Bad Thing......violently and predatorily rape him!!"

what other kinds of rape are there? gentle opportunistic rape?

There's plenty of different kinds of rape, the idea that a rape is only a rape if it's violent is an unfortunately pervasive one and it's probably one of the reasons why rape is so under-reported. Rape happens when consent isn't given, and has nothing to do with whether or not the act itself is violent. Similarly one doesn't have to be a premediating, systematic predator to rape someone. If someone is to only once in their life violate the consent of another individual, they're still a rapist.

(I understand that you're saying this from a position of "wtf rapists?!" which is obviously a good thing so I don't want you to think I'm having a go at you, but the idea that rape must always be violent trivialises those rapes which for whatever reason are not and it should be discouraged whenever it crops up)

I get what you're saying 100%. My point was more about the idea of what violence actually is, which in my opinion, can come from any kind of foreceful behaviour, even if not physical.

Intimidation and violence, for instance, are both interchangeable to me. I don't like to see suffering being almost dismissed, relatively, just because it didn't stem from physical harm.

In case anyone was wondering Gridds' response was a kneejerk, hypothetical "Violent predatory rape is a Bad Thing......violently and predatorily rape him!!"

Misread your comment and the misreading reminded me that posting on an Internet forum that you hope someone is raped is pretty far from actually raping anyone... Of course, not to say that everything we post on this forum is ultimately meaningless so why get your panties in a twist... That would totally devalue all the hard work that goes into making cohesive and inteligent posts here.

^^ fair enough. That's an unusual interpretation (sadly), but it is a good one and the kind of thing that more people ought to take to heart. I loathe the idea that there are people who will quite comfortably believe that they didn't actually rape somebody else because they weren't holding them by the throat or threatening them while they did it. Those type of cunts should get no quarter from which to weasel out of it, basically.

Pretty much this;

Research being done with male college students in the States that has them answer No to "Would you rape someone" and Yes to "Would you have sex with someone without their consent".

Then I got nerged to buggery for saying it's almost socially acceptable nowadays.

nerged to buggery.

nerged to buggery.

Anything that ends in buggery can't be that bad, surely?

buggered to nergery

Bothers hits the nail on the head again

Well said Boths.

I read an interesting post related to this yesterday, about rapey people and how society sticks up for a lot of proto-rapists because they're behaving in a way that's accepted as laddish and normal so the male friends of the proto-rapist will often defend the actions of a creep, brushing aside his attempts of harassment and mild sexual assault as 'not serious' or 'harmless' because they don't conform to the behaviour of what most people perceive as those of a rapist (e.g. lurking in dark alleyways with a knife). This means women complaining of constant harassment, be it overt or subtle, from a proto-rapist are dismissed, undermined as being sensitive or blamed for being drunk at the time of being harassed, and it's this lack of support from their own friends and loved ones that could be one of the reasons rape is so under-reported.

Not saying anyone here is like that, just thought it was an interesting observation. I can post the link if anyone wants to read it.

buggered to nergery

Hope it was consensual.

This means women complaining of constant harassment, be it overt or subtle, from a proto-rapist are dismissed, undermined as being sensitive or blamed for being drunk at the time of being harassed

Same goes for men.
I know that in certain "cultural" circles a guy who harasses women is "just a lad" and the whole set of nasty behaviours and mysoginy is well established within various societies (not only western), but the whole girl power thing and the ladette culture can also sometimes be seen as an excuse to show exactly the same unwanted attention towards men. What I mean is, it's not acceptable regardless of sex nor orientation.

I watched an episode of "Come Dine with Me" the other day, where some lady kept touching a fella, repeatedly tried to kiss him and constantly showered him with sexual innuendos. The guy felt uncomfortable, others felt awkward too. The lady in question was completely oblivious to fact that she could (and did) caused a great offence, despite being told to stop on few occasions. Now, if the shoe was on the other foot...

I don't try to shift the blame here.

I don't try to shift the blame here.

Sure, but it sounds just a tiny bit as if you are. I dont see what bearing this anecdote about female on male harassment has in a discussion about the massive problem of men's attitudes to rape.

Not saying anyone here is like that, just thought it was an interesting observation. I can post the link if anyone wants to read it.

Do post it.

I watched an episode of "Come Dine with Me" the other day

You are dead to me.

http://captainawkward.com/2012/08/07/322-323-my-friend-group-has-a-case-of-the-creepy-dude-how-do-we-clear-that-up/

It's pretty long and in the format of two long questions posed to an advice column (called Captain Awkward - awesome name) with two long answers which is why I chose to summarise it rather than just post the link but it's good if you read it all.

EEI - I don't think something seen on Come Dine With Me is a good example considering it's a reality tv show where contestants are chosen for their entertainment potential, so it's not really an authentic situation. Obviously male harassment happens, and so does male rape by women, and that's a problem that could be discussed but please use real world evidence not hyperbolic TV.

Cheer, that make interesting reading.