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Is this not beautiful BQ? skillfull songwriting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZtBpS79lHQ&feature=player_embedded
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He's written a vast amount of stuff, and almost inevitably in that vast amount there is some good stuff. But there is an overwhelming load of filler too. David Bowie's the same. lots of material, only one or two albums worth of really decent songs. Some people call him a genius too, but I wouldn't.
You have to judge him by his entire output, not cherry pick the small number of good songs.
If you're allowed to cherry pick before pronouncing someone a genius you might as well call Robbie Williams one, and we all know he's actually a twat.Musically the good ones are pleasant enough. Is that sufficient to call it genius?
Lyrically he was capable of writing a decent piece, but is he really up there with Noel Coward, William Wordsworth, or even Hal David? Hardly. -
fave album: blood on the tracks. full of vitiol and a broken heart, superb song writing apart from one track that i refuse to listen to as it's a bit shite. he's done plenty of guff songs but so many good ones.
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Difficult to do for me. I thought of Blowing in the Wind as too cliched and overplayed yet I heard a rollicking reggae version live at brixton academy.
Thats nothing new cause 'Blowing in the wind' was on the flip side of arguably the very first reggae single 'People Funny Boy" 1968 {adjusts glasses}:
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I found Buckets of Rain as dull as hell, sorry.
As was dark eyes. It's only practically a monotone dirge.
Every Grain of Sand was also dull.
I genuinely don't understand what you see in such musically unsatisfying tunes.I do really like this though. A lot more than bob's version.
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Coward and Hal david wrote some classics and kept to their style and ouvre. Dylan kept pushing the boundaries and creating fusions, inventing new genre, going off in different directions sometimes even within the same album. And he's still creating gems (spirit on the water from his last album for example)
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I genuinely don't understand what you see in such musically unsatisfying tunes.
not everyone likes Dylan, i don't like U2, Eminem or Moby. millions of people do though.
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To my it seems like he knocked out a bunch of folk and country and soft-rock songs. None of it sounds innovative to me. Just plodding and ordinary to my ears. Mind you I obviously come at it from 40-50 years after he wrote the stuff that made his reputation, and understand that it's filtered through everything that came after it.
That knowledge is not going to help me like it any better though.
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To my it seems like he knocked out a bunch of folk and country and soft-rock songs.
Which is this? Folk, country or soft rock?
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So 20's.
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Musically the good ones are pleasant enough. Is that sufficient to call it genius?
Lyrically he was capable of writing a decent piece, but** is he really up there with** Noel Coward, William Wordsworth, or even Hal David? Hardly.no i'd say he's far *far *above them all
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With the obvious exceptions of everyone on this thread the real trouble with Bob Dylan is Bob Dylan fans. Alan Bennett said about Kafka that he is "picketed by his own admirers" and unfortunately the zeal and certainty of Dylan fans has always had that effect on me.
My late friend John, who used to write gig reviews for the Observer, was inundated with hate mail when he admitted that he left a Dylan gig early. That was in the early nineties, I think. Things have not really improved much since then. -
Dylan wrote this but, I think, never released it (though I think it turned up on one of those 'lost' compilations). How many songwriters would give their right arm to be able to write such a song?
YouTube - Sandy Denny Percy's song BBC-sessions Fairport Convention
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Which is this? Folk, country or soft rock?
YouTube - Subterranean Homesick Blues
Or slam/rap music?
Musically it's a basic country and western riff sped up a bit, typical of jug band music.
Lyrically it's a meaningless drug induced mess with some really desparate attempts at finding rhymes, but because it's quite fast you don't notice.As for the rapping, I'm convinced that he really is attempting to sing, but is failing miserably.
It is, however, far greater than the sum of its parts.
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far greater than the sum of its parts.
Like many a thing of genius. Deconstruction of anything lessens it
@wiganwill Percy's song I think he gave to Joan baez (She sings is while Dylan is typing on the back ground in Don't Look back). Great song in english ballad style (perhaps picked up from the english folk revivalists ike carthy and nic jones:)
As was this
YouTube - Edie Brickell - A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall
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This the way I appreciate my bob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nomiRFkEd64