Tourney: Euro Bench Minor Jan 2011

Clement's got it. In addition:

3) Fewer games could add a significant amount of time. For example, 8 minute games with 2 minutes for change-overs = 12 minutes an hour. That could be 3-4 hours over a weekend more polo (or, 18-24 fewer 3x3 games in a regular tourney vs 6+ more BM games in a BM tourney).

For the same number of player:
1) a BM of 2 teams of 10 players each make 20 people into the game, even if that's not always playing on court, it involve people way more than 6 players.
2) If the format is something like: group game between the maximal number of teams, then only semi-> finals, you play more than if youre 3p teams don't get trought group games, and only watch quarts-semi-finals.

And if you are a player that isn't considered a strong player on a BM team, and isn't put on court very much?

Apologies if these are all questions that I would know the answers to, had I been paying more attention.

No prob'...
I played 3 bench minor now,

one in GVA, with a open spirt, first one on polo earth i think. The idea was first to make a beep sound every 2 min, to push teams to turn lines. If i remember it was pretty equal time for each player. The fact was, we were on a fuckin indoor rink hockey court, with the control of the eletronic board plus a big sound system who could make speeker understandable by anybody.
The 3 teams were making like this: every classical team who played a classicl 3v3 tourney on sat was divised in three: one player A, another B, third C. Then we make three big team of 12 people, the Team with all the A, etc...
The tourney was only playing A-B, A-C, B-C.
No official GM.

Second one, in NYC, the first official one in polo earth. All was made like in a real hockey league. Captain choose players from everywhere in a big list. I was drafted last, so it was pretty clear that i wasn't considere as a strong player.
Our team was turning line like this: every player have a player who take his place, so when one goes out his substitute know that he need to go on court. The capt and his assistant were making some changements during game in some specific momentum.
Get on the bench during a long time because you make 2 huge mistakes on the begining of the game was pretty hard for moral, but kind of justice if capt want to win.
So it was different than the first one, way more competitive. And yes, that's a lil bit hard to stay on bench and not playing. One of our teamate didn't show up on second day because he was pissed off about that.
This tourney was cool because of some rules, basing on ice hockey. With penality cell, for 30 seconds. Get a defensive line of 2 players who could avoid goals was fun.

Last Bench i made was in Grenoble. Same kinde of way to choose team than in the first one in Geneva. Every team had a GM. I was the one of mine.
It was more intense than in geneva, a lil bit more competitive. But it was also open and friendly. So the balance between make everybody play, and the while of win was a lil bit difficult to handle. A guy of my team who let 3 or 4 goals goes in during 2 minutes was pissed off and leave the team between to game, telling me that it was not cool, because everybody don't play the same time, and not even longer in his opinion. For me it was pretty clear that i want everybody to play the maximum, but clear too that at the end, if the gap between the 2 teams was 1 or 2 points, the stronger line should be on court.

So to conclude:
1) if the draft is well done, for the win, a good GM should take every player who could construct something during the tourney. In my opinion, making a tourney like this is a competitive stuff, not a alternative cool sunday bench minor like.
2) every player should get a good capital of time on court, but should understand that some situations need some players.
3)This kind of tourney make some shitty memories goes back to mind to every people who were not so good at soccer during childhood, waiting on the bench. The way to don't get into this is hard for everybody.

I don't mind where it is, but max if you really want a space in London, have you seen shunt? It's a space under London bridge station. Basically a disussed extra station, when I say disussed, it did have an "art collective" (what ever that is) in it, but I think they only use it occationally now...

If my sketchy recollection of it is to be trusted, there's at least room for 2 courts, possibly more...

^ That would be fucking insane... :o

The tunnels would need a floor, there are tunnels under loads of tubes, they are damp, dark and not that cheap to hire.

Its like a club, there are floors in there already.

Uneven floors yes, not polo-able, I've scouted it out before (not polo related)... Waterloo's the same.

Shunt didn't lay a floor or anything as far as I remember?

i have only been there when its been late :)

what about the old car show-room http://www.autoitaliasoutheast.org/about.html

not much to see on the site, but i heard its got epic spaces.

A car show room's a good idea... they're often pillarless, hmm.

elephant and castle area too.

Hi there... I’ve been reading all the posts in this thread... and the only conclusion that I can assume right now (because I have never been in one BM) is that I really need to go... London or/and Kh count on me and some other bcn players!!

Cheers, Lucas

We're sorting out a sweet indoor space in Cambridge , 40M x 18M with a very grippy floor in a warehouse that is going to be knocked down in April . We're not so far from London . They'll be at least 12 weekends from jan 1st that it could be used for some kind of tourney .

:D

This sounds pretty good.

The downside is we'll have to pay for the pleasure , in rent , insurance , lighting and electricity , and boards for the sides. Was just wondering if you are looking at renting indoor venues . What the going rate is ? maybe we could recoop some of our costs by holding tourneys ?

The downside is we'll have to pay for the pleasure , in rent , insurance , lighting and electricity , and boards for the sides. Was just wondering if you are looking at renting indoor venues . What the going rate is ? maybe we could recoop some of our costs by holding tourneys ?

If the space is good...the trains are cheap i'd come up two wkend a month every month for games! Especially with winter..Tourney every wkend!

Hey Harvey, sounds like we could make some plans together! i'll PM you..

If the space is good...the trains are cheap i'd come up two wkend a month every month for games! Especially with winter..Tourney every wkend!

Would be great , will invite you all once its up and running . I can't stress enough how good the floor is , glass smooth but grippy as hell even with a layer of dust .

London gazumped.

Cambridge>London

Manchester> Cambridge> London ;)

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who's in charge of selection and shit?

of what?