Great visual indicators of how to occupy a lane

It should be noted that there is some disagreement as to how to accurately describe the primary position, as it obviously changes when you pass a parked car, etc. I think it's important to describe it as relative to other traffic, not to the kerb or other fixed markings. My favourite formulation is 'just to the right of the left-hand tyre tracks' (and vice versa for the US etc.). But, as I say, there is some disagreement.

Bang on. Too many get lazy and think "this is the position" not realising the dynamic nature of roads means it is a constantly changing thing.

Im guessing they edited away the honking?

Id be scared to ride on a busy road like that in the USA. Seems just like riding on busy A roads, which ive done but felt on a kinfes edge.

get that blonde wig sorted out.

do you have these? they're great indicators of where to ride on sketchy or narrow roads, especially for inexperienced cyclists. although some portion of the ride may be spent explaining to drivers what exactly the symbol means, since they're rarely accompanied by a public awareness campaign.

Sohi, good edit, but drivers are not aware at how dangerous and scary it is to overtake a cyclist in close proxy, rather than 'give a fuck' which give the implication that they hate cyclists.

It also another example that you may need to move nearer to the middle of the lane so you have enough room to move if such thing happen again.

You should try reading 'Effective Cycling' by John Franklin before you go there, then.

Nice video.

You mean John Forester, Franklin's the British guy with the skinnier book.

do you have these? they're great indicators of where to ride on sketchy or narrow roads, especially for inexperienced cyclists. although some portion of the ride may be spent explaining to drivers what exactly the symbol means, since they're rarely accompanied by a public awareness campaign.

That's easy one. It's bike & Citroen lane. Right?

You mean John Forester, Franklin's the British guy with the skinnier book.

called cyclecraft

You mean John Forester, Franklin's the British guy with the skinnier book.

Ha, typical. Got them both off the shelf and got confused.

You'd get better value for money if you printed your own books rather than going for an OTS.

Here are some images of cyclists occupying a variety of positions in the lane from a bus driver's perspective (and other stuff) from a day spent with some bus drivers

here's a sample

Fascinating stuff David.

Brilliant work David, I think this actually would help bridge the gap between the motorists and cyclists, something the LCC could use.

wouldnt a detailed section on how to deal with cyclists be a great idea for driving test. That way they dont have the excuse of ignorance and we can just say they dont give a fuck.

Driver are already pretty good with cyclists, however I feel that the driving instructor should mentioned cyclists in their lesson, as I've notice that a lots of them never even mentioned them once.

When I was taught in 2004, I finished my lesson without knowing how to deal with cyclists at all, just how to work with other motorised vehicles and how to prepared in case says, a peds step out of the road, probably because at the time it wasn't important as there weren't as much cyclists as there are nowadays, but I did learn how to work with the traffic which I then later learn that cyclists are part of the traffic and able to work with them.

All the driving instructor nowadays simply need to do is point out that cyclists are part of the traffic and treat it as if it were a motorised vehicle.

@ skydancer. I found those pics very interesting and noted that I also tend to kerb hug at the lights when I'm going straight on. I now see how this can be misleading to drivers.

Cheers

Cafewanda; a lot of people who are good, aware, cyclists do cycle training and discover they have little habits like that. Why not sign up for a session? You can PM me if you would like me to expedite it for you.

Thanks for the offer Wiganwill. I've had two cycle training sessions this year but the above post reminded me that I've developed a bad habit I need to break. Actually, thinking about it I've developed bad filtering habits now that I'm more confident on the bike and I need to drop those sharpish.

During my last lesson Jill (my trainer) pointed out my road positioning faults and we talked about filtering, which at the time I only did if there was the equivalent of 2/3 cyclists wide. Now I realise that I've developed the habit of 'getting ahead at almost all costs', like many of the cyclists I see on my route. Definitely not good and must be broken as I've plans to join a few of the LFGSS rides next year. Need to be alive/injury-free for that!

@ skydancer. I found those pics very interesting and noted that I also tend to kerb hug at the lights when I'm going straight on. I now see how this can be misleading to drivers.

Cheers

I too pick things up quicker from visual cues rather than reading descriptions in words and this thread could really help some people SEE different riding postions.

When people ride on road many follow the position where the majority of riders ride even if this is not the optimum place for getting seen and influencing the drivers in the traffic stream (Hence queues of riders with their foot on the kerb left of the vehicles at lights some of whom will be going straight potentially in conflict with left turning vehicles)

Cycle Training often helps legitimise more assertive postioning and eventually more and more people will be riding centrally when needed and perhaps establishing better positioning through example

When people ride on road many follow the position where the majority of riders ride even if this is not the optimum place for getting seen and influencing the drivers in the traffic stream (Hence queues of riders with their foot on the kerb left of the vehicles at lights some of whom will be going straight potentially in conflict with left turning vehicles)

Me and this.

Actually thought about my riding position, signalling etc this morning on the commute to work and, for once, didn't blindly 'follow the leader'. Just need to make this a constant.

I took primary position yesterday only to be reminded taht Polish drivers don't give two fucks about the road rules.
The road was being resurfaced in the oncoming lane, so I pulled into the primary to ensure nobody behind tried to overtake as I passed the planing truck only to have a car try to overtake the truck and drive in the opposite direction in my lane straight at me!
What an asshole, I had no choice but to pull onto the crappy gutter to avoid being hit.

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