Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

I almost always go through once peds are a metre or so clear of my line ...

A metre isn't always enough; I once had a ped leap backwards into my path as a motorbike (who's view of the ped was blocked by me, I think) appeared from nowhere and drove straight at her.

IIRC you're not supposed to pass the front vehicle if it's waiting at a crossing because of visibility. Someone could be crossing right to left. Goes double if the vehicle is a HGV or bus. Not buzzing "behind" someone going left to right is just common courtesy.

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I'm not talking 'buzzing' I'm talking pulling away after they've passed.

^^ you don't need to start a new thread. Go to the Stolen Bikes thread and post there. Good luck.

^^ Yeah I appreciate that. I just think of it as the pedestrian owns that piece of road until they reach a curb or refuge. Same way we don't like a taxi cab trying to share a bus lane with cyclists. Perhaps if they had 2-3 metres buffer instead of 1 they wouldn't even notice you.

[QUOTE=atmz;3714275]To avoid being called out in future, what's generally accepted pedestrian crossing behavior? A HGV driver yelled at me this morning for going through one while a pedestrian was crossing, but they were still well in the opposite lane.
Am I pissing off pedestrians or is this ok? I'm aware that the law probably says 'stop', but I care more about being safe and courteous.

If there is an island/refuge in the center of the road then you can go through if the ped is on the other carriageway.

If there isn't then you can't.[/QUOTE] Assuming we're talking about zebra crossings, you're wrong.

"Give way" being operative here.

The Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations and General Directions 1997[quote="Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings"]25.—(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.
A bicycle is a vehicle for the purpose of this legislation (as referenced somewhere else, but bollocks if I'm looking for it).[/QUOTE].

I got called out by a propa geeza in Stepney Green yesterday. He was no handed, t shirt off and dangling very close to the rear wheel of a small girls bike while he had some banter with his mate on his phone. I stayed behind him expecting erratic riding and eventually plucked up the courage to overtake - giving him a good two or three metres. Which was a good call as he veered straight into me. I didn't say anything, just adjusted, dodged and looked back as I went past. He wasn't pleased though.

"Overtaking on the right side mate? Risky!"

"That's what you're supposed to do"

"Bit close though - yeah?"

"Because you veered into me."

"It's not a fucking race."

"We're doing about 5mph and you can't control your bike."

"Fucking take it easy next time you prick you nearly had me off."

"Indeed. What a bell end I am."

I read his bit in the voice of:

Drive By Abuser - Episode Six - YouTube

megaphone and all

^^ Yeah I appreciate that. I just think of it as the pedestrian owns that piece of road until they reach a curb or refuge. Same way we don't like a taxi cab trying to share a bus lane with cyclists. Perhaps if they had 2-3 metres buffer instead of 1 they wouldn't even notice you.

I pretty much afford most people that section. Once they've stepped onto it, I don't move until they're practically stepping off it, unless it's a hideously busy one where I'll take a chance when they're just about halfway across. Case in point Long Acre/Endell St in Covent Garden.

For us:

you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

and

A zebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)).

For pedestrians:

Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing.

https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199

https://www.gov.uk/rules-pedestrians-1-to-35/crossings-18-to-30

To avoid being called out in future, what's generally accepted pedestrian crossing behavior? A HGV driver yelled at me this morning for going through one while a pedestrian was crossing, but they were still well in the opposite lane.
Am I pissing off pedestrians or is this ok? I'm aware that the law probably says 'stop', but I care more about being safe and courteous.

I think it's a grey area. If there's an island then you can count each direction as a separate entity. However if I always think it better that if you pass anyone on crossings the polite thing to do is to pass from behind. What they haven't seen cant hurt etc

Edit I guess not grey at all. I thought the island thing applied only to light controlled crossings. Plus most crossings feature zigzags which legally means you shouldn't be alongside any other vehicle i.e. overtaking or be overtaken.

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I was going to Kennington from camberwell this morning and was waiting at the busy junction just before the Oval tube. All of a sudden a cyclist crushed into my back wheel and because it was busy so he had nowhere to go on the road so he then got off him bike, jumped onto the pavement and then walked all the way to the front of the road, got back on his bike and slowly cycled towards to junction box with his front wheel inside the yellow line... why? why? and why?

Front is safest. Fact. Even if crash getting to the front.

I hope you are saying this with a evil smile on your face...

I almost always go through once peds are a metre or so clear of my line. Someone turned back and said "wait" once. I stopped and said "why?, I'm nowhere near you" (genuine question). She was really miffed but couldn't say why. I guess people expect it to be a traffic free zone while they're on it, but in all honesty I can't see why I'd sit waiting for them to mount the curb if they're ten feet away from where I am riding.

I'm not talking 'buzzing' I'm talking pulling away after they've passed.

Your perception of this is likely to be very different to that of the ped.

Jumping lights when pedestrians are crossing, or are about to cross the road, is intimidating and aggravating. They have right of way. They have the right to cross the road without being hassled. When you jump the lights they have every right to be annoyed at you. It's like someone waiting behind you in a queue breathing down your neck, or pushing past you onto the train. Seriously, chill out. Wait another ten seconds, and people will stop thinking you are a prick.

IMOH our cities should be alot more freindly towards pedestrian traffic. Pedestrians are safer, dont crash into each other, take up less space, dont need huge areas of tarmac. Fast traffic, bikes included, carve up our spaces with dangerous, impassable swathes of noisy impatient arseholes. I bet everyone here has been in a situation where they need to cross a busy road on foot, but noone will stop for them. It's a pain in the ass.

N, we just walk to a pedestrian crossing instead of being dicks expecting people to let us cross the road like it's our right to do.

Also, Wrongcog wasn't talking about puffin crossings.

Pedestrians are safer, dont crash into each other, take up less space, dont need huge areas of tarmac.

All untrue.

what?

lol

Yes, you can cross the road. But only when it is clear to do so. Peds often don't look so it's not surprising that people won't let them cross.

It's nice to be nice but the world is too full of non thinking idiots to be nice to everyone.

Peds walk into each other all the time. You'd thing someone walking at 2 or 3mph would be able to avoid someone traveling at the same speed as them. The also need masses of tarmac because nobody looks where they're going, nobody treats a pavement like a road sticking to one side to make it easier for everyone involve so that the traffic flows, nobody makes space for other peds walking in the other direction because their conversation is clearly more important than another human being.

I pretty much afford most people that section. Once they've stepped onto it, I don't move until they're practically stepping off it, unless it's a hideously busy one where I'll take a chance when they're just about halfway across. Case in point Long Acre/Endell St in Covent Garden.

For us:

and

For pedestrians:

https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199

https://www.gov.uk/rules-pedestrians-1-to-35/crossings-18-to-30

hand on heart does anyone here always without fail obey the highway code ? I mean as soon as a pedestrian even looks to be about to cross the road you stop for them? even if it means pulling a big fuck off fixie skid?

hand on heart does anyone here always without fail obey the highway code ? I mean as soon as a pedestrian even looks to be about to cross the road you stop for them? even if it means pulling a big fuck off fixie skid?

Yes.

Yes, you can cross the road. But only when it is clear to do so. Peds often don't look so it's not surprising that people won't let them cross.

It's nice to be nice but the world is too full of non thinking idiots to be nice to everyone.

True. But I'd rather not work on the assumption that everyone who crosses my path is an idiot who should be barged past to show them their place.

Peds walk into each other all the time. You'd thing someone walking at 2 or 3mph would be able to avoid someone traveling at the same speed as them. The also need masses of tarmac because nobody looks where they're going, nobody treats a pavement like a road sticking to one side to make it easier for everyone involve so that the traffic flows, nobody makes space for other peds walking in the other direction because their conversation is clearly more important than another human being.

Ever watched a busy tube station at rush hour? Thousands of people crammed together going in different directions. They all get where they are going without crashes, gridlock, hurling abuse at each other. Sure they bump into each other, they get tetchy and pushy, but it basically works out fine.

If it's safe to do so, yes. Ideally I'd be aware of what's behind me, how close etc and if I felt they weren't going to crash into me I'd stop and if possible, signal my intention to anyone following.

hand on heart does anyone here always without fail obey the highway code ? I mean as soon as a pedestrian even looks to be about to cross the road you stop for them? even if it means pulling a big fuck off fixie skid?

I always stop at zebra crossings if it's safe. If it's not safe and I have to roll through, I apologise. I also always wait when the lights at pedestrian crossings are flashing amber, and wait for everyone to finish crossing. It doesn't cost me anything.

... an idiot who should be barged past to show them their place.

Who talked about barging past? Were talking about riding where there's adequate space.

Seriously. Stop escalating things.