Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1LcADYelq6c


Breaking the rules apparently is safer than following them... a fair point... to a point... though...

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Him: Fuck off mate, mind your own business.

Did you point out that the cunt had made it your business when he rode like a cock on a public road directly in front of you. You could have added that it was your business because you didn't wan't to get his blood on your tyres as you rode over his mangled remains.

I don't suppose it's worth the time of calling boris bikers, but this guy had a certain tenacity. Crossing Newington Causeway with the bike lights near the sally army building and monsieur vacantface sails through. I'd basically stopped half way as I'd seen him but he seemed genuinely surprised when he finally saw me and slammed on the brakes. Then when I'd got round to old kent road and was waiting at the toucan crossing he sails through much faster and nearly wipes out the first pedestrian to start crossing. Same 1000 yard stare and total surprise that there was an obstacle in his way.

chap on a mountain bike this morning out of his saddle all the time in Peckham. got to a zebra crossing where a van had stopped... he sailed on through as a woman with a pram was crossing and then jumped lights onto rye lane. silly boy

I think you misread, my understanding is:

[]Ramaye stops at red to let child cross
[]Bloke X crashes into back of Ramaye and give him an ear bending
[]After setting off bloke (maybe X again) rides up alongside Ramaye and berates him for stopping.
[]Ramaye tells him to go away
[]Bloke doesn't go away
[]Ramaye rides bloke into other carriageway
[]Bloke (maybe same bloke/blokes as #2 and #3) rides up alongside Ramaye and threatens to punch him if he tries #6 again
[]Ramaye shoulders bloke from #7 into the back of a bus

Cataduanes comment referred to the bloke's threat in #7, not the original incident regarding the pedestrian crossing.

Yep, pretty succinct summary by ffm, it was all the same bloke. It was a Zebra not a red but otherwise spot on.

That was my reading of it. Cataduanes was not having a go at Ramaye but at "danger to children" man when he threatened to get punchy.

''Cataduanes was not having a go at Ramaye but at "danger to children" man when he threatened to get punchy.''

This :)

Ah gotchya!

Thx!

It might be worth waiting two weeks to give Muilti Groove a chance to reply...

Ed is correct....I'm scared.

First day back on the 20 mile commute today after working closer to home for 5 weeks.
Where the fuck did all these cyclists come from? Among the usual anus puckering (mine) actions of other commuters, the most embarrassing cycling today was from me - honking it up Peckham Rye towards Nunhead only to get some seriously hollow legs just as I was (trying) to pass a chap on a road bike. He said something along the lines of "well, are you going to overtake or not?"
Shocking display.
Good to be back on the proper commute though, even if it's just for the Southbound Vauxhall Bridge sprint past all the flouro every evening.

Called an idiot on a Boris bike out on my morning commute before he almost got killed, but he wasn't listening. Then made sure he knew after how fucking lucky he was and that he was an idiot!

Tipper lorry on the inside lane west bound at Old st roundabout, stopped at the lights indicating and half way in the cycle lane that should be removed. I was waiting on the out side of the lorry waiting for the lights to change and traffic to move away safely. several cyclists of all breeds went down the inside. I should have called them all out but that's not important. I can see the lights change and the Boris biker in question who cannot then decides he is about to make the inside pass I shout to stop to no avail. Fortunately for him the driver saw him after starting to progress forwards stopped and gave the guy and almighty beep on his horn. I pass the lorry on the outside and catch the cyclist up, he looked in shock and like he might need to change his pants. He got a talking to by me, unsympathetically as it was all his fault that he almost lost his life.

Yes that junction is badly designed and the cycle lane gives a false sense of security that people can pass on the inside. But to be honest seeing peoples habits at other junctions if the cycle lane disappeared people would still do the same.

We need to stop cyclist being on the inside of lorries. Yes the LCC is doing a good job at campaigning for making the lorries safer, which I am for. But not enough is being done to make CYCLISTs safer!

Morning moan out the way, but personally I do not want to witness someone get killed, especially due to an idiots poor judgement and bad cycling putting themselves in a position of such danger.

First day back on the 20 mile commute today after working closer to home for 5 weeks.
Where the fuck did all these cyclists come from? Among the usual anus puckering (mine) actions of other commuters, the most embarrassing cycling today was from me - honking it up Peckham Rye towards Nunhead only to get some seriously hollow legs just as I was (trying) to pass a chap on a road bike. He said something along the lines of "well, are you going to overtake or not?"
Shocking display.
Good to be back on the proper commute though, even if it's just for the Southbound Vauxhall Bridge sprint past all the flouro every evening.

I hear you. Been on holiday for two weeks with no exercise past some body boarding. Jelly leg nightmares.

^^I see this shit on a daily basis. This is what happens when you let people with zero common sense (there are a lot of them) share the road with 20 tonne vehicles with no training whatsoever

Exactly, I see people doing it all the time as well. Just this morning the guy was a lot closer to getting killed then other days. More needs to be done to raise cyclists awareness to the dangers, either by campaigning or by compulsory training if that is the only way.

In some sense the motorists are right, that cyclists have no right on the road... don't forget almost everyone else has to get training before getting out there. And cyclists don't, and most don't take up the voluntary options (hell, I only have my cycling proficiency circa 1975). So we are the untrained interlopers in a world of trained road users.

I know, I know, I'm just doing the devil's advocate thing... but there is a serious point.

I (and most other people over 17) have a driving license, which is as much 'training' as nearly every other road user...

^This.

A drivers licence, years of experience driving motorised vehicles of all types shapes and sizes, combined with years and years and years and years and of experience on the bike, I'm probably there or there about as far as training goes.

In some sense the motorists are right, that cyclists have no right on the road... don't forget almost everyone else has to get training before getting out there. And cyclists don't, and most don't take up the voluntary options (hell, I only have my cycling proficiency circa 1975). So we are the untrained interlopers in a world of trained road users.

I know, I know, I'm just doing the devil's advocate thing... but there is a serious point.

Short answer:

• You don't have training to ride your bike because it's not a danger to anyone but you (more or less)
  
• Driver training often counts for bugger all, you learn much more after you pass your test (e.g., main danger is from newly "trained" men aged 18-25 in cars)
  
• Nevertheless, cycle training is a good thing
  

I am booked in for cycle training next weekend, Sat before the Classic...I'm very excited actually and really keen to gain more knowledge. don't know why im telling you all this, but I'm well excited.

^^^ and ^^^^ That's great, but the fact that you (and I) have driving licenses does not mean that everyone else out there does. it's been done upthread, but I'll say it again - sometimes I actually feel sympathy for the other road users when I see the state of some of the cycling going on out there. It's really not alright to get on the road and be so unpredictable and stupid that everyone else has to spend their time and attention being wary of what you might do next.

Yes lots of people do not need training, but lots of people even with driving licenses do things of a bike that is just plain dumb. It's not all about being a danger to yourself, it also has a knock on effect to the people around you. The person who witnesses you get squashed, the driver, your family and friends etc. Training is maybe not necessary but raising more awareness to things not to do (positions you don't really end up in in a car) is really important.

[QUOTE=Andrew;3500123]In some sense the motorists are right, that cyclists have no right on the road... /QUOTE]

Fundamentally this is wrong. Cyclists pedestrians and Horse riders have a right to use the road. You have to reach no standard, there is no need to get any permission and it can never be denied.
The users of motor vehicles need permission and need to acquire a standard, and it can be revoked. Thus they have no rights, merely permission.

^This. Although it's a pretty legalistic argument i.e., it doesn't necessarily relate to what should be the case, just what is the case under law.

All for training... Should have made that clear.

The only thing the motorists have is privilege from That Old Bat.

[QUOTE]In some sense the motorists are right, that cyclists have no right on the road...

Fundamentally this is wrong. Cyclists pedestrians and Horse riders have a right to use the road. You have to reach no standard, there is no need to get any permission and it can never be denied.
The users of motor vehicles need permission and need to acquire a standard, and it can be revoked. Thus they have no rights, merely permission.[/quote]

Unfortunately drivers do, in effect, have a total right to use the road; how many cases are there where "professional" driver tots up 12 points due to poor/dangerous driving and legally, should lose their license? Yet the claim of hardship sees them straight back on the road. They're not even forced to re-sit the test (which I'd be all for instead of total banning for infringements). Also I'm sure bad cycling can see you lose points on a, driving license if, you have one? (If so, that is a standard of sorts).

@FFM I think drivers tend to be better on passing their tests rather than later once complacency sets in.

I think judges can reduce the blame on a driver that crashes into a cyclist not wearing a helmet, which is so fundamentally wrong. I'd they really must mitigate, then I'd rather they used training (though stats show approx 80% of the fault in bike/car collisions lie with the motorist), so fingers crossed for cycling to hit normalisation in the mindset of the population.

Wow, if bad cycling loses points from your licence then a lot of bad cycling could just be bad drivers trying to avoid a ban.

http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/cyclelaw/licence_points.html

http://ukcyclerules.com/2010/09/27/can-you-lose-your-driving-licence-for-a-cycling-offence/

http://road.cc/content/news/44102-courts-let-nearly-half-motorists-who-accrue-12-or-more-penalty-points-continue