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• #27
Can't resist...
Best of both worlds. Smallish steel tubes* with modern components.I heard somewhere that Ti doesn't flex enough to cause 'ghostshifting'. Any idea if that has any truth to it?
*I need to lose some weight.
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• #28
Bastard. Reported. :P
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• #29
^ Crap...
what's so good about about old lugged frames with quill stems then?
(apart from looking nice)
they aren't light.
they aren't cheap.
they can get a bit wobbly at speed and climbing out of the saddle.Jaygee's roberts is a perfect example of steel brought up to date, all the benefits with none of the downsides.
by the time you have tracked down your overpriced lugged frame and sourced the 'period' components you have probably spent the same amount of money as it would take to get a decent modern bike that gives a better ride.i really wanted a record sprint when i was a lad, they were £105 and looked great in their black and gold, just like a JPS lotus.
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• #30
^Truth
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• #32
Quiet down and stop arguing.
It has 20 gears and goes very fast downhill.
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• #33
i do like 'old' steel bikes, just can't see the point of people wanking over the shit old heavy ones. a colnago master with it's shaped tubes is certainly worth updating with decent components but a bike that was shit in 1980 is not going to made awesome with an expensive paintjob and a NOS 7speed block.
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• #35
lovely. now you can go down the hill without pedalling like mad too. ;)
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• #36
lovely. now you can go down the hill without pedalling like mad too. ;)
and take corners properly :-)
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• #37
Skidding isn't as satisfying though. Le sigh... :) It does have it's perks though.
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• #38
@MrSmyth - how about mix and match? You get the best of both worlds this way, lovely old lugged steel frame with modern components. This means you're able to confuse modernists and confound beardy Campag strokers (like andyp but minus the beard) :D
It doesn't always work out that well in practise though - despite going modern on the groupset, my Merckx doesn't ride as nicely as a new alu frame, and is still fundamentally heavy (2.4 kg frame only!). Its a bit more of a talking point than a generic modern OTP, but that's about the only benefit in my case, kind of wish I'd never bought it.
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• #39
I'd like a modern road bike now, have ridden my fixed bikes only a handful of times in the last two months... That's mainly down to injury tho', still love my tarck bikes... Colnago FTW!
Ouch! What injury dude? And what road bike? YKIMS...
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• #40
i do like 'old' steel bikes, just can't see the point of people wanking over the shit old heavy ones. a colnago master with it's shaped tubes is certainly worth updating with decent components but a bike that was shit in 1980 is not going to made awesome with an expensive paintjob and a NOS 7speed block.
Hmmm, my Raleigh Sirroco is Reynolds 501 and an '86 model, I suppose that makes it shit, old, and heavy in your book? However, it has fancy lugs and is pearl white and metallic red, this alone makes it moistly stroke-worthy in my book :p
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• #41
if it floats yer boat.
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• #42
My boat is floated. To be honest a decent tube-set like 501 is going to take London's famous London's potholes and generally shit road surfaces better than something like 531c, at least I won't be wincing when I plough through a rut fearful of what 'might' happen.
Lightness is often given presidence over durability, which on our virtually third-world roads may not be so realistic. It's just fashion, innit.
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• #43
at least I won't be wincing when I plough through a rut fearful of what 'might' happen.
not wishing to cause alarm and panic but you could always fret about a tube/lug parting company on a 25year old frame due to the apprentice brazing it on a monday morning after a heavy weekend.
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• #44
I've got too many gears but the Speccy is being fed through ebay piece by piece to make space for the fixie which now hangs in its place.
The Francesco Moser I've had for a few years now but I've never managed to identify which model it actually is. Columbus SL (I believe) + Shimano 600 12 speed group which almost looks a bit too new for the frame.
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• #45
Shhh, we'll keep it our little secret but I'd love to hear all about your geared ride. What have you got and how do you find it?
Reason I ask is I'm getting an '86 Raleigh Sirroco back from the painters this week and am starting to get jolly excited, having collected period parts over the past several months for the build.
At the risk of being banned I'm actually looking forward to a free-wheel and gears again; all 10 of them. There I've said it.Banned? Ya boss VB owns a rather expensive geared Serotta and rode it on one of the early forum rides to Southend. Captain Mergo here owns many geared bikes. Fixed is shit, embrace your derailler.
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• #46
Banned? Ya boss VB owns a rather expensive geared Serotta and rode it on one of the early forum rides to Southend. Captain Mergo here owns many geared bikes. Fixed is shit, embrace your derailler.
I call BS. You wouldn't even go near the Campagnolo on VB's Serotta.
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• #47
Eh? If other people choose to use Campag, that's their loss. I'll ride with them - I just make sure I stay in front for when the inevitable crank failure happens.
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• #48
In front of a campag rider is the best place to be, the brakes are also dog shite.
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• #49
http://www.classicbikeshop.eu/frame-concorde-witrose-details.html
no photos of the bike back at my mums. twas in the ebay/craigslist thread ages ago off of marktplaats.
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• #50
These are my geared bikes;
Can't resist...
Best of both worlds. Smallish steel tubes* with modern components.
*I need to lose some weight.