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He have the same issue with replacement frame (which is the same make and model as the defect one), AFAIK Planet X took a long time to refund the money to him.

I believe (but this is worth checking) that he bought a frame which when he put a wheel in with a 23c tyre it jammed against the brake bridge, Planet-X then dicked him about with regards to returning it, and there was some issue (possibly the same one?) with the replacement frame.

Basically, they had an opportunity to deliver really good customer service by making sure that a mistake was put right, but instead they were wankers about it.

Exactly this.

National News this morning...

www.liosbikes.com

What happen andy? did they finally refunded you?

They did.

Its just stupid being so crap about it.

I often checked PX when I needed something. I had this baseless fuzzy feeling towards the small yorkshire company.

Now because they pissed about some random from the Isle of man. Another random from Norway thinks twice before ordering from them.

Silly.

A friend bought a TT bike from them just after I got my frame, he's a had a worse experience than I did. I spent £250 he spent considerably more. Fools.

My next purchase was going to be a Ti 456, Looks like pipedream may be getting that cash.

Also a manx?

Ha. Its a suptle effect, and thats being generous.

** I had a cadence average of < 70 when I started giving a shit about such things**. This wasnt great for maintaing a smooth pedalling action. Pushing this up to 85 has made me far more effecient. The point was that the oval rings slightly worsened my stroke when low cadence mashing, and subsequently made it slightly more smooth when I improved my cadence. So the improvement curve was slighly steeper.

I assume Wiggo could pedal his bicycle proper before using them though.

I did have a thought while doing climbing intervals with a friend using the same cassette, and compact cranks. But round rings. When moving from seated to standing he shifts 2 sprockets. On my oval rings I only shift 1.

thats probably all bullshit.

But I'm not opposed to spending out on cool looking components. So meh.

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The problem with all this is you starting observing something and then made changes to your kit. The mere fact you started to care about your cadence would've changed your cadence. Changing to oval rings or drinking carrot juice or praying to a new god might all have magically altered your cadence or done nothing but you can't prove it either way because you introduced multiple changes to your riding at once.

How many gears two people might change is irrelevant. Everyone settles into their preferred cadence for a given effort. This can be trained higher or lower but it's individual and nothing can be gleaned from it other than you prefer different gears for a particular piece of road.

tl;dr

snake oil

The problem with all this is you starting observing something and then made changes to your kit. The mere fact you started to care about your cadence would've changed your cadence. Changing to oval rings or drinking carrot juice or praying to a new god might all have magically altered your cadence or done nothing but you can't prove it either way because you introduced multiple changes to your riding at once.

How many gears two people might change is irrelevant. Everyone settles into their preferred cadence for a given effort. This can be trained higher or lower but it's individual and nothing can be gleaned from it other than you prefer different gears for a particular piece of road.

tl;dr

snake oil

Sounds fair.

Where can I buy this Snake oil?

Will it up my FTP?

Also a manx?

Yes

Racist.

Right, I love the disc brakes of the Genesis CdF, but hate the geometry (even thought it's comfortable and stable).

Apart from the Genesis Equilibrium disc which would be closer to my 650B bicycle, is there any OTP road disc frameset out there that's a decent value for money?

Right, I love the disc brakes of the Genesis CdF, but hate the geometry (even thought it's comfortable and stable).

Apart from the Genesis Equilibrium disc which would be closer to my 650B bicycle, is there any OTP road disc frameset out there that's a decent value for money?

How much is the BMC grandfondo disc? Its not a bad price here.

BMCs tend to be compact. Hence the massive seatposts and stems 'normal' people use on them.

Warbird.
Its an amazing orange colour.

That's a CX bicycle, and I checked out the Colossal, spec wise look decent, but a ridiculous amount of money, even on trade (damn that fashionable ENVE fork).

I'm looking for frameset, I already got some decent component on the CdF (ZTR/Hope wheelset, TRP HY/RD brakeset), I prefer to swap the frameset round.

Cannondale Synapse disc would also be great.

Thought it was a path racer. I guess the gearing says CX. Isnt the CdF a CX bike. Wont it therefore better fit a cx frame?

You're not going to get a cheap disc braked road frame. Lets face it.

Actually I kinda managed to find a decent alternated, by simply getting the Cannondale Synapse 105 Disc on trade, move the part over, and sell the Genesis with half the Cannondale part on it;

Thank fuck I still got the -17 stem, shame about the BB30.

Getting a complete bike, and swapping out is going to be the only way to do it. You rarely see framesets.

Pretty much, way I see it, £600 with framset + 105 groupset and BB30 crankset seemed a decent option.

Still tempted by the Equilibrium disc, which does come as a frameset for under £300 (trade);

Are there any CX disc bikes out there that come with a campag group OTP? I can't find any. Cheers.

Could you not just get disc tabs brazed on to your Oak?

bb30 on a cross bike? Top lolz. New bb every other race.

Are there any CX disc bikes out there that come with a campag group OTP? I can't find any. Cheers.

Campag compatible disc hubs are like hen's teeth.