Weight / Fat loss

Pyramid workout or simple 5x5 at a higher weight each time?

this one;

http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

Basically workout A and B. Once you hit 5x the weight next time you do that exercise you up the weight.

When I did the massive diet last year there were days I was consuming no more than around 600 to 700 calories. It's not starvation, your body gets used to it and I actually felt sharper and had more energy a lot of the time.

When we were running around gathering berries and looking for things to kill there would have been days when we would have gone without (or with very little) food.

I think the most important thing with all of this is finding whatever works best for the individual.

Paleo bro.

Doing this http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dtp-changing-bodies-and-lives.htm in combination with running 5 mornings a week before work and loving the results so far

Back to start weight...yay! I guess! Am also going back to logging/tracking everything as it helps me focus. Got a Fitbit Flex wireless on the way and have already started using the app and am very impressed so far. Especially like the way you can link myfitnesspal to the fitbit app.

When I did the massive diet last year there were days I was consuming no more than around 600 to 700 calories. It's not starvation, your body gets used to it and I actually felt sharper and had more energy a lot of the time.

When we were running around gathering berries and looking for things to kill there would have been days when we would have gone without (or with very little) food.

I think the most important thing with all of this is finding whatever works best for the individual.

It IS starvation, because as soon as you stopped your diet you put weight back on... Two stone I think you said. Less calorie deprivation and more exercise equals long term permanent weight loss, not a yoyo diet.

re 5:2

Decided at Christmas that I'd like to lose some weight before I get married later this year. I'm 183 cm, and was 97kg, with 20% body fat

For the first three months, I cut down on food portions to a more sensible level, cut out all shop bought bread and substituted with making my own granary bread at home when I actually wanted it, swapped out pasta and rice for brown versions, cut out red meat, ate more chicken and fish, etc. All the things one is supposed to do to eat healthily. After 3 months, I also took on the 5:2.

Yesterday, I hit both my targets of 78kg and 9% fat.

I have not dramatically upped my exercise in this time.

I have found the 5:2 to be fine from a metabolism point of view, and actually from a hunger point of view the next day. The first weeks were harder, but once I became accustomed to a smaller amount of food, I actually realised that trying to eat an entire pizza the next day is not only unnecessary (as you really don’t need this much food) but actually quite difficult on a considerably smaller stomach.

Well done for the achievement but I am suspicious of those figures. You shouldn't be too fat looking at 20% just kind of average and 9% would mean all kinds of cut up. If its legit, hats off to you and Id like to see a pic!

When I did the massive diet last year there were days I was consuming no more than around 600 to 700 calories. It's not starvation, your body gets used to it and I actually felt sharper and had more energy a lot of the time.

When we were running around gathering berries and looking for things to kill there would have been days when we would have gone without (or with very little) food.

I think the most important thing with all of this is finding whatever works best for the individual.

Coming from a muslamic raygun family I have been dabbling with fasting this year. Actually feels good to give the digestive system a rest as I eat so much normally. Also gives you a lot of time to do other things, so much of my time is used up thinking about/preparing/eating food.

It IS starvation, because as soon as you stopped your diet you put weight back on... Two stone I think you said. Less calorie deprivation and more exercise equals long term permanent weight loss, not a yoyo diet.

No Shoosh, I put weight back on because I ate too much and wasn't exercising enough due to a knee injury. This had nothing to do with any diet I'd been following. If I had eaten less and been able to exercise more the weight would not have crept back on.

Same happened to me. Got injured. Felt sorry for myself because I couldn't go to boxing. Ate hamburgers to cheer myself up. Got fat. Now slowly trying to get myself back on the water wagon.

Same happened to me. Got injured. Felt sorry for myself because I couldn't go to boxing. Ate hamburgers to cheer myself up. Got fat. Now slowly trying to get myself back on the water wagon.

Shit happens. And when we get older it takes longer to heal. However, optimism and a desire to carry on are the most important tools we can use to make changes again.

As Shoosh points out by focussing on the negative I've put 2 stone back on over the past 7 or so months.

However, since May of last year I've lost a total of 4 stone, so 2 stone back on means I've still lost 2 stone and I only have 2 stone to lose to get back to the total of 4 stone lost - done it before can do it again. If that counts as a yo-yo diet over a year and a bit it's a f*cking slow yo-yo.

No Shoosh, I put weight back on because I ate too much and wasn't exercising enough due to a knee injury. This had nothing to do with any diet I'd been following. If I had eaten less and been able to exercise more the weight would not have crept back on.

Isn't that the point though, you stopped the 5:2 then started "eating too much."

I hate all this talk of dieting.

It's a lifestyle change. If you do some fad diet you'll go back to old ways and eventually end up where you started.

Isn't that the point though, you stopped the 5:2 then started "eating too much."

I've never tried the 5/2 diet, which is why I was asking about it, so no that's not the point but thanks for your input.

I've never tried the 5/2 diet, which is why I was asking about it, so no that's not the point but thanks for your input.

Touchy much? You seem awfully defensive about it. I suppose I just skimmed your post stating you were consuming 600-700 calories a day and presumed you were talking about your :2 days. So the point definitely still stands, you were on a huge calorie deficit, then when you stopped you put weight back on. It's a fairly obvious outcome.

hmm back down to 80.7kg... week of clean(ish) eating. Problem is always the weekend, I think if I avoiding going out for two weeks I'd easily get down to around 78kg. Instead the beer kills it and I'll be back at 82 by Monday

I hate all this talk of dieting.

It's a lifestyle change. If you do some fad diet you'll go back to old ways and eventually end up where you started.

This. Diet in its original sense, rather than dieting. Most of the fad diet schemes are unsustainable in the long term and some of them as simply damaging to health (e.g. Dukan and the one by that fat jogger who died of a heart attack).

Touchy much? You seem awfully defensive about it. I suppose I just skimmed your post stating you were consuming 600-700 calories a day and presumed you were talking about your :2 days. So the point definitely still stands, you were on a huge calorie deficit, then when you stopped you put weight back on. It's a fairly obvious outcome.

Not touchy at all, you got something wrong by not reading fully also I didn't divulge the full criteria of the diet I was doing, which included a long period of phasing off.

No looking for handbags at dawn was just looking for views on a specific diet from those that had experienced it / tried it. Sorry if you got offended, not my intention.

Well done for the achievement but I am suspicious of those figures. You shouldn't be too fat looking at 20% just kind of average and 9% would mean all kinds of cut up. If its legit, hats off to you and Id like to see a pic!

While I too question the validity of the reading, I'm using a body fat scale which has been consistent throuout the process. It's unlikely to be 100% accurate, but it's not too far off the mark. It's also calibrated to itself, so the drop over time is comparitive.

ah yeah the scales are fine for measuring drops but mine are ~2->5% wrong

70.7kg

Managed to beat a pretty decent field to win my club duathlon last night despite a very heavy training week, which is about as tangible as results get.

2 months to the marathon, I need to do some more long runs but as Long as I keep going like this then I should be good!

Ive been doing 5:2 for the last few weeks and I really enjoy it. You can eat a surprising amount of food for 600 calories and you do feel energetic the next day.

Ive also started BMF 2 weeks ago which is tough and i've been going 3 times a week. Not sure whether I have lost any weight yet as I have delayed onset muscles soreness pretty much all over my body for the last 2 weeks which forces the muscles to store more water, looking a lot trimmer though.

I hate all this talk of dieting.

Yeah, fuck this shit.

I enjoy exercise and I really enjoy eating. Win win. I don't see it as a chore/struggle.

Pifko spot on!!!!

Another 5x5 in the gym this morning. Squats have ruined me, worked on form a lot more today and even though weight was higher than Thursday no knee pain whatsoever!