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Toerag are brilliant from what I've heard, and while I don't share the mindset of Jack White, I do believe that analogue should be used as often as possible or necessary. I don't think there's any point fucking round with a 'popular' record, and I'd choose recording to tape and then pressing on vinyl from tape masters over digital recording and mastering at any opportunity.
I mean, listen to the first Cribs record: you can dismiss it as hipster shit or throwaway indie but to me it just sounds spot on. It hasn't been badly produced, it just hasn't really been produced at all.
Simplicity is something which is often forgotten in the world of music production.
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I strongly disagree with your first statement. i don't see how his distrust of digital has anything to do with his greatness. it's a side note surely?
I tend to agree with your second. I mean he does. but there are others. i get ear fatigue listening to a lot of albini stuff too.
for the record, I used to be an analogue purist... and there's something to be said for that single minded approach but really, i think it's just become a "thing" with him. jack white too. he can shut up. i understand that thing of limiting your options to focus your creativity. I do it all the time but i can't help but roll my eyes when john frusciante says things like "i only play guitars made before 1962" or whatever.
i'm much happier with liam at toerag's approach which is a sort of cheerful eccentric purity. to me their attitude is less "digital is shit" and more "hey let's make a studio where we stick strictly to a certain historical aesthetic that precludes any solid state or digital technology...why? because i like that stuff. I like the way it looks, smells, feels and sounds. "
now that i can get on board with.
Hey Don't get me wrong.
I sell Pro Tools HD systems for a living so I'm all for digital and all the benifits of it. However, I love Albini, and the way he approaches each and every project.
His Neve desk and his Studer Reel to Reel tape machine are part of it, but it's also his Huge Mic collection and he can really pull the best out of a band. It's the old school attitude of it all.
Joanna Newson Ys, is awesome
In Utero compared to Nevermind is just so much better. I hate that early 90's production stuff that's all over nevermind.that's just a couple.
I love how his rate card is flat too. doesn't matter who you are or what you#ve done. You pay the same and you get his full attention and efforts too.
Anyway, miles off topic, and a bit of a thread hijack. could talk about this stuff all day, but there are other forums for that sort of thing.
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great hijack! I love production geekery
slightly reeling it back in: I'm gonna make a list of the albums I like the most. An exercise for myself to re-discover all the stuff I skipped over too quickly the last few years. Time to dig out my old hdd's with mp3's on! Got loads of vinyl here in london, they'll be included. All my cd's in sweden though will be left out, sadly
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We used to have an open play thing at uni.
At the end of a lecture, we'd play a track from an album and talk about why we loved the production on it. Was generally very broad and always very interesting.
Um, sort of fallen off of a lot since i moved job. I used to be on gearslutz and SOS, i had to sit on the DV247 forum but that was because i worked for them. KVR was a bit beyond me, and Harmony central died years ago IMO.
I get tapeop delivered everymonth and have apile of them sat by my toilet.
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should organise a LFGSS play and tell. No MP3's for all the audiophiles out there.
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great thread, an actual discussion that happens to be about the best intangible emotional experience that is music.
Theres simply no way of 'keeping up' with the sheer volume of releases,
Definately true that as everything is faster we consume music today faster too.
Bill who knows a thing or two about the industry went so far as to set this up due to a response similar to yours Markyboyhttp://www.alandunn67.co.uk/nomusic.html
It feels like latest releases are shorter, more anodyne and disposable than ever, at the same time you get ace pop tunes like the Noisettes popping up. which is very 2010
Presently the way it goes for everday listening is that I get mixes, listen to them and dig out the best tunes to play, that aspect of internet is so amazing, endless free--and not shit, Music.
For albums, filter down to artists that have some interesting songs, and then take some of them to get to know over time. These can simmer, in and out of the front of your attention.
Then theres the older albums that you know you should know, but never got round to- these can be like finding treasure, as you realise why people were so buzzed about the thing at first, charity shops, cheap c.ds, easy.
And how actually amazing is it that virtually anything you want is on the tube?
Can any of us imagined that when carrying around our bricks with c90 tapes in our pockets.Then theres the cassette tapes that I am transferring over to digital gradually, which have music that you were passionate enough about to record once by sitting through the whole thing, that means it must have been worth it first time, or as I used to do, hanging out of the window at 2am to get signal for Manchester radio shows I still have recordings of.
Still get really passionate about it, because music is such a personal experience, and so difficult to write about well. The crisp horns of reggae, the fizzing hi -hats of house, such many genres and styles I love.
Just for tonight, im going to select an album, and sit through the whole thing, perhaps some of you will join me.
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I dj now and then, and even release music although as a hobby.
Buy at least an album a week, there is something special out if you look carefully, at least for me who go through release lists (that's another level of paranoia)
and of course there's always the back catalogues... I always weight if the best album I find that week is better than something older than I want to have as original
if you want some curious music take a look at my podcast with some well known djs picking tunes they enjoy listening at home/car (no club music) - you always find some gems
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There's quite a few examples where a producer have completely changed the sound of a band, can't think of any at the top of my head now though (shamed)
Trevor Horn & Frankie Goes to Hollywood?
I love a really polished production job, Not of the "give it lots of autotune" variety, but things like really intricate arrangements, attention to detail, and productions that really get the best out of a song. Trevor Horn's 80s stuff is right up there with the best - Propaganda's 'A Secret Wish' has been a firm favourite of mine since it came out.
Other albums that exemplify that approach are Gerry Rafferty's 'City to City', Matthew Sweet's 'Girlfriend', Fair's 'Best Worst Case Scenario', Blondie's 'Eat to the Beat', Blur's 'Parklife' and the Sunday's 'Goodbye'. And I cannot imagine there is anything you can do to improve upon Matthew Sweet's 'Ultrasuede' or Midlake's 'Head Home' -
That album rocks my world.
How we consume music has changed. Bands/labels have realised its all about singles now, not albums. Consequently most albums are shit
funny you say that as when recorded pop music appeared it was all about the singles, albums were a industry invention to shove in the rest of the tracks (buy 1 get 10?)
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Trevor Horn & Frankie Goes to Hollywood?
I love a really polished production job, Not of the "give it lots of autotune" variety, but things like really intricate arrangements, attention to detail, and productions that really get the best out of a song. Trevor Horn's 80s stuff is right up there with the best - Propaganda's 'A Secret Wish' has been a firm favourite of mine since it came out.
Other albums that exemplify that approach are Gerry Rafferty's 'City to City', Matthew Sweet's 'Girlfriend', Fair's 'Best Worst Case Scenario', Blondie's 'Eat to the Beat', Blur's 'Parklife' and the Sunday's 'Goodbye'. And I cannot imagine there is anything you can do to improve upon Matthew Sweet's 'Ultrasuede' or Midlake's 'Head Home'+1
I have collected all ztt stuff, before they went shit.
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Midlake's 'Head Home'
Speaking of Midlake and production, I think the Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve's edit of Roscoe is amongst the best I've heard sound wise.
YouTube- Midlake - Roscoe Wizards' Sleeve remix
And after reading that Other Half Lifes blog, about well produced guilty pleasures, Womack & Womack - Teardrops came to mind
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ZTT for me was all about Paul Morley - the more pompous he got, the more I loved the records
Steve Albini's (arguably natch) finest moment for me is Pixies - Break my Body off Surfer Rosa - perfect, everything just perfect. I love the way it starts with a damn good flam - you can't beat records that start with a flam.....
J is right, carrying a bunch of C90's around......recording your mates vinyl and invariably ending up with two tracks spilling over to side two, then trying to find another LP to use that space up......don't miss it (kinda do)
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Speaking of Midlake and production, I think the Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve's edit of Roscoe is amongst the best I've heard sound wise.
Richard norris is amazing, look for the beyond wizard's recorded dj sets
and also his "time and space machine project" which samples stuff like bowie or iggy popAnd after reading that Other Half Lifes blog, about well produced guilty pleasures, Womack & Womack - Teardrops came to mind
funny you talk about that, I used the XX cover of teardrops for a fabric mix I did ages ago... which also included whitney houston's wanna dance with somebody
pop isn't an evil word, just drowned out in shit
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z66rDVkaK4w
I don't think music is better or worse than it was, I think when you get 60 years of modern music you have it very well filtered down and don't notice the other billion bands no one will ever ear again
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Richard norris is amazing, look for the beyond wizard's recorded dj sets
and also his "time and space machine project" which samples stuff like bowie or iggy popgot a few of there sets, will give it another listen tomorrow. haven't heard that time and space thing, will check it out
Speaking of dj sets, got a few of Mark Sevens down the other day, man he knows his music
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I get what you mean OP. I intentionally delay getting new music to a few times a month. These days I tend to go for single tracks or a couple of tracks from an album rather than whole albums. There are few recent albums that I can say I like wholely.
Then I make monthly playlists with the new tracks I like. Right now there hasn't been much good stuff so I have been going back in my collection as well as using Last.fm and spotify to find similar music. Plus I quite happily listen to my favourite tracks over and over. "10 Tracks" was an interesting idea however I have tuned out of that. Amazon and 7digital are my preferred online stores, with iTunes on occasion only if I can't find it elsewhere. A couple of months ago I even bought a CD after like 2 years, it was the Broken Bells album, which was ok. Really only like 2 tracks on there, which is a shame. Since The Shins - Whincing the Night Away is probably my favourite and most played album.