Doping

Didn't wonderhairboy Kittel do the same shit? No one seems to give him any flak.

Yes, when he was 19 and riding for the German National Team. It was also permitted at the time, even if it is, as @dubtap so eloquently describes it, woo-woo.

Actually wasn't Kittel's even more woo-woo witch doctor quackery? His blood was taken out and exposed to UV light then re-infused? Will look properly once I've convinced the kids to eat their breakfast and get dressed like they have to EVERY FUCKING DAY!

It's not really considered doping, quackery is probably the best description of the practice. Anyway, the anti-doping arm of the Belgian federation recommended Van Avermaet get a two year ban, but had no evidence to back this up so he was acquitted.

No evidence that he'd done it, or no evidence that a two-year ban was needed?

EVERY FUCKING DAY!

My son cries when we're putting his arms in his jim jam sleeves post bath every night. You'd think he'd know what to expect.

The former.

He's only a few months old though, so gets a pass. Mine are 7 and 4, you'd think they'd have learnt by now.

Stop looking at your phone and sort them out.

Yeah, I realise that but it shows what people will have a crack at for an edge.

I not scared of needles or shy of blood but fucked if I'd be plugging myself in to a blood machine by choice.

Are you giving them the correct levels of beatings?

Do you need to borrow one of Uncle Hippy's Extra Extra Long Belts?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-federation-requests-two-year-doping-ban-for-greg-van-avermaet/

Umm, injecting baby food, wut?

It's not 'baby food'.

https://www.drugs.com/uk/vaminolact-leaflet.html

He'd been using a Doctor known as 'Doctor Ozone', who used a technique where blood is extracted, mixed with ozone, then re-infused

There was no evidence, hence why he was cleared;

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-avermaet-cleared-of-doping-charges/

Oh I'm happy to trust the authorities, otherwise we just stray into tin-foil hat territory. I was just amazed at how quiet Kimmage and his like were at GVA and Valverde. Vayer even cheerleaded his win. Massive double standards.

The Catalunya commentators were picking up on the fact that he was pushing a massive gear whilst dropping some of the best climbers in the world. He's 37 in a couple of months too and just keeps on getting better. Out of all of the current riders he really is the hardest to believe that he's riding clean.

Both the Australian Open winners this year were 35 and we know tennis is a clean sport.

Oh I'm happy to trust the authorities, otherwise we just stray into tin-foil hat territory.

bang-on. afaic, ban served = clean 'til caught again.

Out of all of the current riders he really is the hardest to believe that he's riding clean.

enjoy the racing, and take a look at Piti's list of achievements from the youth categories on. talent just might have something to do with it as well.

ban served = clean 'til caught again.

Except for that problem of limit-exceeding training.

ie. if you take steroids and train then compensate to a capacity above what you would have achieved clean, your body has hit that 'super capacity' point and done whatever adaptations are needed so it's possible to reach that point again.

So, once a doper, always potentially reaping the benefits of doping. Also, if you've made the call at any point in your life to cheat then you are morally weak and susceptible to do it again.

Life ban for cheats.

(see: http://www.physoc.org/press-release/2013/steroids-muscle)

Piti's list of achievements from the youth categories on. talent just might have something to do with it as well.

He's also an unrepentant cunt :)

^^this

the original discussion in this thread was around a hypothetical scenario where someone spends years training outside a testing pool necking absolutely everything possible, before stopping it all and going clean but benefitting from the fact they were hitting impossible numbers whilst on the gear.

in case of steroids, yes, I know how that works. was this proven? I thought it was about Fuentes' blood doping bags.

@Pifko, unrepentant cunt, true. lots of cunts in the pro peloton, they don't have to be my friends just race each other's balls off!

I was just using it as an example that had a study attached.

In terms of blood doping, not the same physical effect but certainly it allows for greater volume and intensity for a given period of training time, which then puts us back into supercompensation territory and possible long-lasting effects.

I haven't read all the links, but it's hard to undertsand a) how filling your blood with ozone (poisonous?) is going to help, and (ii) how to get it out and then later back in again without using a needle at some point. Magnets?

Doesn't the UCI have a no-needles policy? Or is that more of a guideline than a rule?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_therapy

"ozonated autohemotherapy"

"According to reports, the ozone therapy technique consists of removing 200cc of blood, mixing it with an anticoagulant and then re-injecting the blood. The whole process takes just 30 minutes and boosts performance by optimizing the oxygen carried to the muscles. It does not alter blood values under the UCI’s biological passport scheme.
Ozone therapy is not specifically mentioned in the WADA anti-doping code but is considered doping as it increases the body’s ability to transport more oxygen."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-doctor-under-investigation-for-administering-ozone-therapy/

I think they concluded it was more used as a cover for transfusing blood or drugs taht actually worked though.

It happened before it was banned.