Doping

I carbo-load in the bath.

Then you force the orphans to drink the bath water, I know.

Then you force the orphans to drink the bath water, I know.

They love it, I can see it on their tiny Dickensian faces.

Please sir, can I have some more?

Yep

I have a friend who rides for a well known London team and he was telling me a couple of team members were done for doping.

I mean what is the point. really?
Talentless bastards, If you can't mix it with the best through training and talent alone, you are in the wrong game in my opinion. Unless you are just doing it for fun and to stay fit, but then you wouldn't be doping then either would you

Rolla-pill-uza?
London Dynam-EPO?

Seriously, if that's true then it's more mental than I thought. I didn't really take what I heard seriously - thought it was a touch of banter tinged with regret. I'm not sure that I buy it - how the hell do you even go about getting hold of these drugs, if you even know what to get/how much/how & how often to administer?

In some ways I do get it - if you're going to spend £3000+ on a set of Lightweights - and I know plenty who have - why not take another 'supplement' to help you? If an inhaler is equivalent to doping then maybe you could justify it to yourself as a little innocent help? (I have no idea if an inhaler might be of use to someone without asthma. Initially I was thinking of Alan Baxter's Vicks inhaler)(Alan Baxter is now a cyclist, incidentally).

Dov: I'll take anything offered.
Sadly nothing has been proffered, despite my repeated hints.

sniffing GT85 gives you palpitations and a mild buzz.
got to be worth a try at £5 a can and perfectly legal.

And it stops bogeys forming.

dunno if this is a repost but makes interesting viewing: David Millar on doping
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8785907.stm

Someone on this very forum tried to get me on steroids. Suggesting that they might be on them too.

If you happen to be in and around gym's, you'll know just how ridiculously common gear usage is. Normal kids, who dont enter any kind of sports competition go on gear, even when they have no clue on diet or training. People on the internet recommend stuff, and they go buy it.

Seems to be most popular among teenage white boys from culturally but perhaps not financially deprived backgrounds. And also 30-40 year old asian men. It seems to be massively popular in the north too, places like wigan.

Well based on this, id be very surprised if a lot of hobby sportspeople are not using steroids/HGH/EPO etc to improve their sports performance.

I didn't offer you steroids: I offered you HRT because it can only be a matter of time before you pop up telling us you are suffering from the menopause.

Seriously, if that's true then it's more mental than I thought. I didn't really take what I heard seriously - thought it was a touch of banter tinged with regret. I'm not sure that I buy it - how the hell do you even go about getting hold of these drugs, if you even know what to get/how much/how & how often to administer?

In some ways I do get it - if you're going to spend £3000+ on a set of Lightweights - and I know plenty who have - why not take another 'supplement' to help you? If an inhaler is equivalent to doping then maybe you could justify it to yourself as a little innocent help? (I have no idea if an inhaler might be of use to someone without asthma. Initially I was thinking of Alan Baxter's Vicks inhaler)(Alan Baxter is now a cyclist, incidentally).

http://www.steroidonlineshop.com/buy-EPIAO-Recombinant-Human-Erythropoietin-Injection.html

"When used medically the dosage is 15-50IU/kg of body weight, given three times a week." but more is always better, right?

In some ways I do get it - if you're going to spend £3000+ on a set of Lightweights - and I know plenty who have - why not take another 'supplement' to help you? If an inhaler is equivalent to doping then maybe you could justify it to yourself as a little innocent help?.

Inhalers contain corticosteroids which supresses your body's immune system reaction.

People with allergies/asthma get inflamed lungs/airways triggered by dust, heavy breathing, cold weather and the like. So their lung function massively drops, possibly fatally! Some peoples (including mine) lungs are inflamed at rest. So the lung capacity is permanently reduced/below average as standard.

The corticosteroids help to combat this effect, "normalising" lung function. The same drugs would do little on someone without the symptoms.

People taking corticosteroids also suffer the risk of systemic effects, which are the exact opposite of testosterone like steroids. They are like stress hormones which tell your body to digest its own muscle, increase bodyfat, reduce libido and more.

look up "cushing syndrome".

These are the exact opposites of the qualities an athlete is seeking.

I didn't offer you steroids: I offered you HRT because it can only be a matter of time before you pop up telling us you are suffering from the menopause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salbutamol#Doping

"Dr Richard Budgett, the director of medical services for the BOA, will oversee many of the tests being carried out on competitors. “The IOC is not worried about athletes using inhalers, because there is no evidence that the drugs they contain are performance-enhancing,” he said. “However, they want competitors to stop using inhalers unless they are medically necessary.”"
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/body_and_soul/article1165289.ece

Problem is alot of the doping in professional cycling was/is due to pressure from the teams to perform... Obviously it's wrong but should a cyclist be penalized for the rest of his life because he followed the orders of greedy and dishonest team management/coaching?

I think that would be unfair... I feel these days we have to take some degree of dishonesty in sports as a granted - cheating is everywhere . it's cliche but, you're just going to feel that much better when you do it clean. Cycling has come a long way since "that" tour, hopefully teams will begin encouraging and rewarding honest hard work.

Would you risk your lifetimes career for one day of glory, one olympic gold? that should be the question being asked here...

I'd swap my career for an Olympic gold.

No fucking doubt about it.

sniffing GT85 gives you palpitations and a mild buzz.
got to be worth a try at £5 a can and perfectly legal.

£5 a can?! where are you getting it, Harrods?!

£2.99 from Cyclescurgery. And I'll have 50p for practically halving your outgoings, please.

Seriously, if that's true then it's more mental than I thought. I didn't really take what I heard seriously - thought it was a touch of banter tinged with regret. I'm not sure that I buy it - how the hell do you even go about getting hold of these drugs, if you even know what to get/how much/how & how often to administer?

Staite raced in America a few years ago and has allegedly doped for the 5 years or so years he has been back. Rumour has it he had contacts over there with aty least one convicted doper. I've also heard the figure of £2k a month being bandied about.

He is far from the only one. I have heard of at least 2 world's medalists who regularly dope and was told that a large chunk of those making up the numbers in elite races dope but a blind eye is turned if they don't hit the results. Staite was caught because he kicked Rapha's arses in March and John Herety wasn't happy and reported it because it was so blatent.

Oddly all the rumours when this first leaked were of 2 riders but it appears one has been covered up. Coincidentally the Endura team are in this weeks Cycling Weekly saying how clean they are and how people shouldn't jump to conclusions because they were all targetted at the same race as Staite.

Michael Hutchinson...

Cliff Richards...

I'd swap my career for an Olympic gold.

No fucking doubt about it.

You still need to work your tits off training and be genetically exceptional to be elite.

Cliff Richards...

Richard Briar

Richard Briers (shurely)

I think RPM has grasped the structure of the 'joke' more than you have.

i'm going back to wikipedia to read about the good life.